Stimulus Bill is starting to look like something that ryhmes with "musterbuck"

[concrete]

As much as I hate to admit it, they need to junk that thing and start over. I'm not against much of what they are doing, but the bill itself, especially as it winds it's way through the legislative process, has lost logical stucture. I found myself agreeing with Joe Scarbourogh this morning (which is disturbing for me, to say the least), that here is a chance to build a whole new world, and we are getting the same old stuff.

We need a bill that points a way to the new world. Myself, I was hoping for one that would be a direct attempt to change the petroleum-based world we live in into something else. This economy bleeds off billions every month in foreign energy costs, and if that money was circulating in our internal economy instead, would change our country for the better in every way. I see pieces of it in there, but not a logical approach. I am hoping the Senate can salvage this turkey, but this morning's news was all about more crap that various senators are trying to add. It's discouraging.

[Horsefish]

I think that Obama should convince the DEMS to just let the bill get defeated, then resubmit, quickly, individual bills each dealing with a separate infrastructure project. One for electric grid, one for broadband coverage, one for bridges, roads, sewer systems, IT upgrades in medical facilities, etc, etc. Those would be unbeatable.

[concrete]

It is actually a huge opportunity to lead the way into green oriented manufacturing jobs, especially in the energy field. I was watching an episode of Nova on PBS a few weeks back and they were telling the story of a company in California that manufactures solar roof shingles - not the big panels that you install on top of the roof, but actual photovoltaic embedded shingles. These guys had a three year order backlog. Imagine being able to corner the market on technologies like that and sell them to the rest of the world?
The stimulus bill they just passed in Canada has the exact same problem - no vision. Just a bunch of old-fashioned spending proposals that take a shotgun approach. The problem we have now, both in Canada and the US, is that with the recession of 1991 there were still factories to go back to work at when the cycle turned and the economy improved. We don't have them now - they're all in Asia.
Our governments should be doing everything in their power to exploit the huge opportunity to lead in renewable energy manufacturing. Not only do we keep the petrodollars that we send overseas now, but we also import money from other nations who want to buy our technologies. It could be a massive win.

[freakscene]

Originally Posted by Horsefish

I think that Obama should convince the DEMS to just let the bill get defeated

in order to do that, he'd basically have to tell the "DEMS" to vote against their own bill.

Republicans cant kill it on their own, minus a filibuster.

"DEMS" can pass this if they want which makes you wonder why having R votes is so important and causing all this vitriol ?

(that way, there is no one to blame when it doesnt produce)