911 Coverup Video

[NATHAN LLOYD]

I thought anyone who's not afraid of questioning the truth about 9-11 should watch this. Anyone curious should too. I'll be watching it tonight.

[aiki14]

I just finished watching it. Chilling stuff. Nothing would surprise me with the neocons. I lost 2 friends in the WTC. I still have a tough time watching the video footage. Sunshine is the best disinfectant, all this secrecy in the name of security has scared me from the beginning. All the stuff on the video may be propaganda but the failure of the current administration to be transparent gives me the creeps and puts them in doubt. It's a shame it doesn't worry the flag wavers, I'll bet it would worry Thomas Jefferson and the boys from Philly circa 4 March 1789.

[Thierry Martin]

Even if the buildings came down on their own, due to structural defects (I saw a program on PBS that interviewed an engineer, and he said if they had used $0.75 bolts instead of $0.50 bolts, the buildings would not have come down) the whole reaction to the disaster was overblown. Even Bin Laden was surprised that the towers came down. I'm sure more people die every week from car accidents caused by defective parts. How about a war on the car companies?

[NATHAN LLOYD]

Originally Posted by aiki14

I just finished watching it. Chilling stuff. Nothing would surprise me with the neocons. I lost 2 friends in the WTC. I still have a tough time watching the video footage. Sunshine is the best disinfectant, all this secrecy in the name of security has scared me from the beginning. All the stuff on the video may be propaganda but the failure of the current administration to be transparent gives me the creeps and puts them in doubt. It's a shame it doesn't worry the flag wavers, I'll bet it would worry Thomas Jefferson and the boys from Philly circa 4 March 1789.

Of course, it all could be propaganda, but it made more sense than the explanations we got for what occurred. The plane incinerated before it hit the Pentagon is the explanation we get. The buildings were the tallest buildings when they were built, but they were built with defective parts. That is a likely excuse, but not very plausible.

[Lou]

you'll never know the whole truth, and thats what we have a govt for, to keep that stuff secret, and im perfectly fine with that and there is nothing wrong with that

[soundlanguage]

Lou, i'm going to say i strongly disagree with you here.

Governments sometimes grow so fat, bloated, corrupted, labyrinthine in nature that mismanagement and confusion naturally takes over. As if that weren't bad enough, add to this an illegal administration stacked with tunnel-visioned, arrogant, clueless, self satisfing, ethically bankrupt, unaccountable, militarily inexperienced, out of touch w/the public lot of greedy former business people and it's just a recipe for disaster.

Think Enron x1,000 camped out in the White House that's still getting away with it ...



Nice idea to take the passive route and imagine the higher authority is always right and its best not to know details about how "they" protect "us" or that in some way this convoluted mess is actually for our collective good, but at some point you need to stop, examine things, talk with neighbors, trust your hunches. As citizens this is our duty, to ourselves.

... If you think the guy next door is battering his wife or molesting his kids though they'd swear is isn't happening and hide the abuse well, it's still right to doublecheck and have help intervene just to make sure. Even if that guy is a policeman.

We all have to watch out for one another. Government for the people of the people, not the other way around. It starts from the bottom up. There's a lot of middlemen who profit off war through their jobs and justify their actions by seeing themselves as minding-their-own-business patriots, which helps with the overall cover up.(for lack of a better word) The Military and related industries employs a huge portion of our country, and subsidiaries which rely on them. War is good for business for them all, indirectly so i don't see any biting the hand that feeds them, unfortunately. Employees don't have to kill anyone to help the process along, but not questioning is nearly as bad and only lends further authority/quiet support to an already power obsessed facist-leaning cabal. No one dares to say the emperor has no clothes, except the courageous that do.

[NATHAN LLOYD]

Originally Posted by Lou

you'll never know the whole truth, and thats what we have a govt for, to keep that stuff secret, and im perfectly fine with that and there is nothing wrong with that

You're perfectly fine trusting a corrupt government? Is that because it's ours and you might get paid back for thinking critically about what really happened on 9-11? There is no doubt in my mind that explosives made TWC turn into dust. I don't know who did it, but our government seems to be the most likely culprits. They stood the most to gain from it. I'm a doctor, and I have a right to think for myself just as everyone else does. Being a follower of opinion and keeping your views narrow minded is like following a herd of sheeple. It might be wise to look up now and then to see if you trust the herders not to drive you off of a cliff.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060806/...1_conspiracies

[Imperator]

These conspiracy videos are... well just plain dumb.

I guess it is too hard to think critically for people, hence the popularity of these videos.

[Thierry Martin]

Originally Posted by Imperator

These conspiracy videos are... well just plain dumb.

I guess it is too hard to think critically for people, hence the popularity of these videos.

What part of the conspiracy videos are dumb? They may be wrong, but I watched the one at the start of the thread, and I didn't see anything dumb in it. A couple of things were a little farfetched, but certainly not as farfetched as invading Iraq because we were in mortal danger from it's terrifying growing power and involvement in terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.

[Imperator]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_(video)

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons

The videos are simple sophistries, not to mention factual errors and fact that these conspiracy videos are just full of fallacies, sort of like the red herring in your post

but certainly not as farfetched as invading Iraq because we were in mortal danger from it's terrifying growing power and involvement in terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.