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Old 04-11-2006, 03:12 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Iran + Bush

Kind of scary what is going on. We wonder why stocks are tanking. Iran has been testing misiles while enriching uranium.

Iran’s President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has challenged the reality of the Holocaust and said that Israel must be “wiped off the map.” Bush and others in the White House view him as a potential Adolf Hitler, a former senior intelligence official said. “That’s the name they’re using. They say, ‘Will Iran get a strategic weapon and threaten another world war?’ ”

A government consultant with close ties to the civilian leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was “absolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb” if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do “what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,” and “that saving Iran is going to be his legacy.”

Another war. Well Bush is wanting to make history for himself. I'd say that Iran really wanted to make nuclear power plants if they haven't been testing nuclear weapons at the same time.

I know this is off topic, but it's the reason why everything is red right now.
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Old 04-11-2006, 03:21 PM   #2
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maybe bush will finally get around to starting a legitimate battle after spending years, lives, and dollars killing iraqis for no reason. the only thing bush has going for him is the economy, and we all know that He really has nothing to do with that. the war against iraq, the constant scare tactics, the invasions of privacy, the curtailing or elimination of fundamental civil rights, the cheney-shotgun incident, scooter-libby - i mean, come on - if you voted for this guy last time, you have to be second guessing yourself now. the one basic thing i demand from a president is honesty, and W is obviously lacking in that department. Regardless of the outcome with regards to Iran (which im more inclined to believe deserves sanction, and probably military intervention), his legacy will always be lies, lies, incompetence and more lies...

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Old 04-11-2006, 03:28 PM   #3
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Kind of scary what is going on. We wonder why stocks are tanking. Iran has been testing misiles while enriching uranium.

Iran’s President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has challenged the reality of the Holocaust and said that Israel must be “wiped off the map.” Bush and others in the White House view him as a potential Adolf Hitler, a former senior intelligence official said. “That’s the name they’re using. They say, ‘Will Iran get a strategic weapon and threaten another world war?’ ”

A government consultant with close ties to the civilian leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was “absolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb” if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do “what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,” and “that saving Iran is going to be his legacy.”

Another war. Well Bush is wanting to make history for himself. I'd say that Iran really wanted to make nuclear power plants if they haven't been testing nuclear weapons at the same time.

I know this is off topic, but it's the reason why everything is red right now.
Yes, the Iranian situation is certainly more dangerous then just what it is doing to the market. It will be up to President Bush to take care of Iran because I just don't see Hilary or McCain taking on Iran. This being Holy Week, may be a good time to find and accept God. The world is a very dangerous place right now with no remedy in sight.

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Old 04-11-2006, 03:39 PM   #4
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maybe bush will finally get around to starting a legitimate battle after spending years, lives, and dollars killing iraqis for no reason. the only thing bush has going for him is the economy, and we all know that He really has nothing to do with that. the war against iraq, the constant scare tactics, the invasions of privacy, the curtailing or elimination of fundamental civil rights, the cheney-shotgun incident, scooter-libby - i mean, come on - if you voted for this guy last time, you have to be second guessing yourself now. the one basic thing i demand from a president is honesty, and W is obviously lacking in that department. Regardless of the outcome with regards to Iran (which im more inclined to believe deserves sanction, and probably military intervention), his legacy will always be lies, lies, incompetence and more lies...

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With all due respect, I certainly don't see President Bush as a liar. Perhaps that is how the media portrays him, but I'm not that gullible to accept the left wing media as being honest in their "reporting". The Cheney incident was just an accident but the media just could accept that. The government has not wire tapped my phone because I'm not a terrorist. Those that are into illegal activities are the ones need to be worried. I don't mind the wire tapping as long as we remain safe. Funny, not one American citizen has accused the US government of illegally tapping their conversations. I certainly don't want to start a potilcal debate in this forum so I will end by simply saying that thank God Gore or Kerry are not president.

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Old 04-11-2006, 03:44 PM   #5
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In the interest of all of us remaining the supportive community we are, lets not talk politics...especially since I voted for Kerry.

Agree to disagree?


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Old 04-11-2006, 03:45 PM   #6
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We are in this position because of our ties with Israel. That's the hard truth. If we didn't allow Israel to run and hide behind our backs every time they picked a fight with someone, they wouldn't exist. All this, and there are more Israeli spies in the US than any other country has spies in the US.

I believe that Iran has every right to explore their nuclear options as they wish, but only to use that option for defense of their country. I never believe that any country should use a strategic nuclear asset as an offensive, or pre-emptive strike. Not even the US, whether it be a tipped Tomahawk or a Trident II D-5 sending a W-88 on a Mk V configuration.

Let Israel reap what they sow.
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Old 04-11-2006, 04:11 PM   #7
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lies may not be the appropriate word, so i apologize for speaking too quickly, but incompetence is. i dont think GW is an evil man, i just think he's not worthy of the position. there are just certain ways a human with any common sense would have reacted to the various scenarios he's encountered. Take the scooter libby debacle. Bush cant go out saying "this is a city full of people who like to leak information" and then leak information himself. A president with any integrity would have addressed wilson's accusations not by telling his vp to tell his vp's chief of staff, to tell judith miller information, but by holding a press conference and formally declassifying information that was safe to declassify. He didnt have to get into a toe-to-toe battle with him, but he could have simply said "my critics say...., but this is what i actually believed at the time, etc etc." That would have garnered my respect. Instead, he leaves his buddy hanging out to dry.

The Cheney disaster is just another example of incompetence. Who leaks a story to the local press about a shooting accident when he's the vp of the U.S.? Come on! Logic tells you, immediate press conference - not a too-little-too-late interview on a biased network.

Finally, "the media" does not portray bush in just one particular, liberal fashion. Just turn on Fox News. And the truth of the matter is that Bush's approval ratings are absolutely dismal. So even if the media is portraying him poorly, they're merely reflecting the views of a majority of Americans.

Bush ran on a campaign of "honestly" - he had that kind of "im gonna tell it to you like it is swagger" that convinced a lot of Americans that he was the right guy for the job, apparently. That mystique is gone. I have no idea if Kerry would have acted any differently. I imagine he would have. I know Hillary would have. I wont play a game of the "what ifs" - but this whole thing is going to hell in a handbasket (pardon the phrase), and in a hurry.
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PS. for the sake of comraderie, that will be my last political post - I PROMISE!
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