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XOM
01-08-2009, 07:04 PM
Jan. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Carl Shapiro’s name is chiseled into Boston’s largest academic and medical centers, testament to the roughly $80 million that he showered on the city in the past decade. Now it comes with a Bernard Madoff-sized asterisk.

Shapiro, a 95-year-old philanthropist, lost $545 million to Madoff, ranking him among the biggest individual victims of the world’s largest Ponzi scheme, data compiled by Bloomberg show. Now Boston, Carlo Ponzi’s adopted hometown, is bracing for the financial fallout.

“As a percentage of the population and significance of the charities involved, Boston was hardest-hit,” said Mark T. Williams, a professor at Boston University School of Management and a former Federal Reserve bank examiner. Shapiro “is Mr. Boston,” Williams said. “If Mr. Boston is hit, what do you think that does to Boston?”

Just as in Madoff’s base of New York, the alleged swindler targeted Boston’s wealthy Jewish families. Shapiro was atop the list. His 47-year-old namesake foundation, at 75 Park Plaza, lost $145 million because of Madoff. Shapiro and his wife, Ruth, are personally on the hook for about $400 million.

The foundation doled out most of its funds for new hospital buildings and cultural programs in Boston and Palm Beach, Florida, where the Shapiros also own a home. Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women’s Hospital opened the Carl and Ruth Shapiro Cardiovascular Center last year. The foundation also pledged $27 million to the Dana-Farber/Brigham and Women’s Cancer Center as well as $15 million to Boston Medical Center for an ambulatory care center.

‘All Obligations’

The foundation says it plans to “fulfill all of its current obligations.” Shapiro didn’t return a telephone message left at his home.

He and his wife are the largest donors to Brandeis University in Waltham, 10 miles northwest of downtown Boston, giving more than $80 million to the nonsectarian Jewish- sponsored institution. The school didn’t invest with Madoff, according to spokesman Dennis Nealon.

For Shapiro, the financial pain may also have been personal. The first televised reports of Madoff’s scam were “a knife in the heart,” the Palm Beach Post quoted Shapiro as saying.

Shapiro gave Madoff $250 million 10 days before his arrest, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing unidentified sources. Madoff promised Shapiro he would get it back quickly and with interest, but never did, the newspaper said. The Shapiros have hired New York lawyer Steven F. Molo of Shearman & Sterling to represent them, the Boston Globe reported today, citing a family spokesman.

Harvard, Tufts

Institutions throughout Boston say they’re worried about future donations from groups that lost money by investing with Madoff. Several Harvard University-affiliated hospitals, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Tufts University, the Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity and a $40 billion state pension fund were exposed to Madoff through donations or investments.

Tufts said it lost $20 million by investing with Madoff through Ascot Partners LP, the New York fund run by J. Ezra Merkin. Merkin also faces a lawsuit from New York University, which said it had at least $24 million in losses after Merkin and his funds invested with Madoff.

“We knew the economy was in bad shape,” said George McCully, president of the Boston-based Catalogue for Philanthropy, which focuses on donor education. “But to have something like this come along, to have a guy in the for-profit sector cheat and steal others in the philanthropic sector, adds insult to injury.”

Looming ‘Void’

The $958 million Picower Foundation in Florida, which gave MIT a $50 million grant to fund the Picower Institute for Learning and Memory, plans to close because of losses at the hands of Madoff. Wiesel’s group lost $15.2 million.

Other institutions tied to Madoff include the Robert I. Lappin Charitable Foundation of Salem, Massachusetts, which was forced to close, ending trips for local students and teachers to Israel. Maimonides School, an Orthodox Jewish day school in Brookline, Massachusetts, lost $5 million, according to school board chairman Jeffery Swartz in a letter to parents.

Hedge fund Tremont Group Holdings Inc., part of Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Company, invested $3.3 billion with Madoff. MassMutual itself may have $10 million at risk, according to a company statement.

Shapiro made his fortune in the clothing industry as founder of Kay Windsor Inc. in New Bedford, Massachusetts, according to the Web site of his foundation. He sold it to the Vanity Fair Corp. in 1971 and remained with the company until his retirement in 1976, according to the site.

For Boston-area charities, the future remains murky, Williams said. “The bigger story going forward is, ‘Who will be able to step up to the plate and fill the void?’”

Albert0373
01-08-2009, 07:22 PM
That's insane...working most of their lives for that money and ended up losing it.

Diversify =/

freakscene
01-08-2009, 08:12 PM
holy shit is right

but what sort of retribution do they expect the courts to take for them?

is it possible Madoff has enough assets that they could recover some of their money ?

and, this really makes me wonder what Madoff must have thought of them. knowing he was about to go down, yet still asking for a quarter billion and promising a quick return with interest, knowing damn well it wasnt going to happen

they must not have been Madoff's favorite people

XOM
01-08-2009, 08:34 PM
That's what gets me about this guy; on the one hand he seems like a ruthless con artist with no remorse, but on the other hand he was mailing watches and jewelry to friends and family and had 100 checks for almost $200M ready to send out. Why in the hell did he not square away all of that shit before he told his sons? Did he grossly underestimate his sons' willingness to help him hide this for a little longer?

I think he's long ago convinced himself that there was justification in doing what he did (perhaps his awareness of how slimy Wall street really is), otherwise we should be reading about his suicide and apparent remorse.

Wookie
01-09-2009, 12:48 AM
Frankly an incredible story this is.

I simply cannot comprehend how such an Individual who had a successful career, plenty of money from working hard previously, a family, friends, good reputation, flying high - could literally put his entire life, family and friends into such a jeopardy.

Let alone get up in the morning, every morning and look at himself in the mirror.

It just does not compute at this end, simply does not!

XOM
01-09-2009, 07:08 PM
I'm wondering if the jewelry, watches and $173M worth of checks isn't some ruse to make the Feds think that is all that is left? Why else would you blow the whistle on yourself before you completed your final transactions? Perhaps a much bigger stash in a deposit box somewhere.

JV_Picker
01-10-2009, 12:07 PM
As the Madoff-related mess continues to shatter organizations and lives (Can't imagine what I'd do if most of my worth disappeared overnight while being too old to work: move to a decrepit neighborhood [where, if my city is an example, not a cheap place to live anymore] if I didn't own my house outright? Start buying stuff from Dollar Tree? Savor every SSI check coming in, even with expenses skyrocketing over income?), I feel a little more relieved that the more retail-oriented investment firms that deal with Joes like me seem to have stayed away from such scandals.

I think the private banking industry will take a second look at itself (hopefully) and be more transparent abut its dealings. I recall very few firms (if any) that manage equity for high net worth entities offering anything more than a phone number and/or address over the web.

Stas1976
01-10-2009, 06:45 PM
Now probably every smart crook in town claims that s/he lost money on Medoff. It became a new way how to write down lost investors money. Very easy way to explain investors where is the monies.

Dialog:
Investor: "Where is my money dude ?"
Manager "O sorry, I gave them to Medoff. They now all gone..."

MoreYummy
01-11-2009, 01:52 AM
Lets see the final total of this event. Could be less than he claimed. ;D

Rich
01-11-2009, 11:34 PM
I wonder what his USERNAME was here?

Albert0373
01-12-2009, 12:39 PM
NYC judge allows Madoff to remain free on bail

NYC judge rules that Bernard Madoff can remain free on bail in Manhattan penthouse

Larry Neumeister, Associated Press Writer
Monday January 12, 2009, 12:25 pm EST

NEW YORK (AP) -- A judge has allowed Bernard Madoff to remain free on bail, rejecting a bid by prosecutors to send the disgraced investor to jail.

Madoff mailed more than $1 million in jewelry and heirlooms to family and friends over the holidays. Prosecutors said the gifts were grounds to have his bail revoked because what's left of Madoff's assets will have to be returned to burned investors.

The anxiously awaited decision puts furhter restrictions on Madoff, including forcing him to come up with a list of items at his apartment and allowing a security firm to check on the items.

Defense lawyer Ira Sorkin says the "the opinion speaks for itself and we intend to comply with the judge's order."

Madoff's lawyers said the gifts were an innocent mistake and said he is neither a danger to the community nor a threat to flee.

Wookie
01-12-2009, 09:36 PM
Federal prosecutors said on Monday they will appeal a judge's decision that allows accused swindler Bernard Madoff to stay in his Manhattan apartment under house arrest.

"The government intends to appeal the (magistrate) court's order to the district court," Acting U.S. Attorney Lev Dassin said in a letter to U.S. Magistrate Judge Ronald Ellis. Ellis responded to the letter by ordering a stay for 48 hours until 1:00 p.m. ET on WednesdaySure hopes he gets to park where he belongs, even short term!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/28627786

XOM
01-28-2009, 01:21 AM
Very interesting article;



Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) -- For Swiss banker Werner Wolfer, the memory of his first encounter with one of Bernard Madoff’s emissaries nine years ago is as clear as the waters of Lake Geneva.

To hear Patrick Littaye talk, the Wall Street money manager could walk on those waters. “It was like a religion,” Wolfer, 57, says of the promise of steady returns, which would be echoed by other acolytes. “These people firmly believed in the story.”

Littaye, 69, was co-founder of New York-based Access International Advisors LLC, one of more than a dozen feeder funds that acted as middlemen between investors and Madoff. Wolfer visited Littaye at his office near the Champs Elysees in Paris in 2000, after becoming chief investment officer at Banque Marcuard Cook & Co. in Geneva, to learn more about how Madoff made his money.

Banque Marcuard, a private bank catering to the wealthy and now part of Swiss lender St. Galler Kantonalbank, had invested about $50 million of its clients’ money directly with Madoff in the mid-1990s on Littaye’s recommendation.

Banque Marcuard made money with Madoff along with its clients. They paid fees based on the profits Madoff reported, which averaged a net of 11 percent a year. There was never a losing year, regardless of whether markets went up or down. The proof was in the trading statements sent to clients every month.

‘It All Looked So Good’

“It all looked so good,” says Wolfer, who has a master’s degree in economics from the University of St. Gallen.

The truth turned out to be something else -- and far more complex than a criminal masterminding a $50 billion Ponzi scheme that bilked investors from Palm Beach to Paris, as Madoff allegedly confessed to doing on Dec. 11.

If the 70-year-old money manager was running a con, then his marketers like Access International, wittingly or not, were part of the scam.

The purported mission of such feeder funds was to vet hedge funds for wealthy clients. Instead, the line between victim and perpetrator was blurred. Middlemen like Littaye funneled billions of dollars to Madoff, even, in some cases, when they suspected he was engaged in questionable trading practices. In return, they reaped hundreds of millions of dollars in client fees.

Lower Returns

Wolfer says he heard of traders trying to replicate the split-strike conversion strategy Madoff told investors he used -- buying shares of large U.S. companies and entering into options contracts to limit the risk -- and getting far lower returns. He also says he heard Littaye and other middlemen talk about how Madoff may have used the knowledge he gained from his market- making firm, New York-based Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, to get in and out of stocks ahead of market swings.

That’s front-running, a term usually applied to brokers’ trading for their own account -- and profit -- ahead of clients.

full story here (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=au4Y7Cudw2Xo&refer=home)

aiki14
02-12-2009, 01:00 AM
This is pretty cool:
http://www.sleazeballs.net/

XOM
02-12-2009, 09:03 AM
They need one for his wife too after the revelation that she withdrew $15.5M a few weeks before his arrest.

freakscene
02-12-2009, 09:06 AM
see of you can get wall streets edge listed too

aiki14
02-12-2009, 09:54 AM
A ball that never flies straight
4105

freakscene
02-12-2009, 11:16 AM
ha !

well done !

BuyOnDips
02-12-2009, 10:42 PM
Another suicide caused by the Madoff theft. That's at least 2 I've read about.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article5720211.ece

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28392132/

freakscene
03-19-2009, 09:07 AM
The United States Of Ponzi

Behold the Madoff in the mirror.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/18/american-economy-housing-bubble-madoff-opinions-columnists-ponzi.html

XOM
03-19-2009, 09:14 AM
^^^Good observation, Madoff was perhaps just an extreme example on an individual basis.

Bolimomo
04-06-2009, 02:29 PM
I watched the special CNBC program on the Madoff scam, in which they interviewed some victims who said they had lost all their retirement money with the Madoff fund. Their sisters, mother too or something. The whole family invested all their money in the Madoff fund. A few million dollars.

I am sorry... I can't find myself sympathize with the stupidity of putting 100% of one's net worth into one fund, one place. These people had absolutely no sense of risk management. Sorry. I can't cry with them.


Also... I don't buy a bit that Madoff's wife and his 2 sons have no knowledge of this scam. After 20 some years. So many family gatherings. (His sons work in the company too don't they?) Especially the wife. Have no knowledge of this scam?

I speculated that when SHTF, Madoff and his sons had some family meetings and concluded that the best is for the senior to take all the blame so the 2 sons can be spared.

timmhaan
04-06-2009, 02:32 PM
I watched the special CNBC program on the Madoff scam, in which they interviewed some victims who said they had lost all their retirement money with the Madoff fund. Their sisters, mother too or something. The whole family invested all their money in the Madoff fund. A few million dollars.

I am sorry... I can't find myself sympathize with the stupidity of putting 100% of one's net worth into one fund, one place. These people had absolutely no sense of risk management. Sorry. I can't cry with them.


Also... I don't buy a bit that Madoff's wife and his 2 sons have no knowledge of this scam. After 20 some years. So many family gatherings. (His sons work in the company too don't they?) Especially the wife. Have no knowledge of this scam?

I speculated that when SHTF, Madoff and his sons had some family meetings and concluded that the best is for the senior to take all the blame so the 2 sons can be spared.

yeah, i can't believe how many people are SO bad with their money. i guess it's a perfect example that when the money is coming in the blindfolds go on.