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The Desolate One
10-08-2008, 10:37 AM
Day 4 of trading. I still have placenta juice all over me from the newness, so forgive me. QUESTION: A member on this site discouraged me from buying mutual funds as opposed to ETFs which you can do a lot more with. My question is, what would be a good suggestion on a long term ETF that is stable, (even in this current market), and that has a decent payoff? I'm looking to invest a few hundred dollars into such a long term ETF that has been known to give a decent payoff over time, and if anyone on here has had success with one or more that they can recommend, the info would be GREATLY appreciated!

Horsefish
10-08-2008, 11:20 AM
Right now that is a tough one to answer. Nothing is stable. Much depends on the entry point.

One that I own long is PFF. This is an income play and is currently near it's low. It is a basket of preferred stocks. There is a good chance of capital gain as well as 10% yield.

John Law
10-08-2008, 12:02 PM
Horsefish: How much of the PFF is Ford and Fannie and Freddie and others where the preferred shareholders are expected to take a beating or even get wiped out?

freakscene
10-08-2008, 01:49 PM
what do you mean by "stable" and "payoff" ?

i just checked some of the top ETF's held and they are all trading closely to or are setting their 52 week lows, other than GLD


http://finance.yahoo.com/q/cq?d=v1&s=spy+efa+gld+vti+iwd+iwf+qqqq+eem

Horsefish
10-08-2008, 02:32 PM
Horsefish: How much of the PFF is Ford and Fannie and Freddie and others where the preferred shareholders are expected to take a beating or even get wiped out?


Here are the top 10 holdings. Represent 49.6% of assets.




Abn Amro Cap Fdg T N/A 3.7 ...... Barclays Bk Plc (Bacr) 8.1250 % Series N/A
Bk Amer Pfd N/A 6.43
Citigroup Inc 8.50% Series F N/A 4.02
Credit Suisse Guernsey N/A 4.35
Hsbc Hldgs Plc (Hsbc) 8.1250% Series N/A 4.53
Ing Groep N V Pfd N/A 3.97
Merrill Lynch Pfd N/A 3.84
Metlife Pfd N/A 4.24
Royal Bk Scotland Grp N/A

Horsefish
10-08-2008, 02:55 PM
Here is a better place to do research. This link goes to PFF but you can click around for others:

http://us.ishares.com/product_info/fund/overview/PFF.htm

Horsefish
10-09-2008, 10:25 AM
And another. Look at holdings for a fund before choosing.

http://www.nuveen.com/etf/products/taxfree_pref_products.aspx