All Hands On Deck!

[netwrangler]

Senator McCain has stated that, as a Navy Pilot, he knows that in time of crisis, the order is, "All Hands On Deck!"

It appears to me that McCain has forgotten what the actual order is.
In time of crisis on board ship, the order is, "Battle Stations!"

What's the difference?
Well, when you go to your Battle Station, you go to the place where you can do the most good for the entire ship and crew.

It appears to me that instead of going to his Battle Station, McCain just went topside, milled around, and got in the way.

Not that I hold that against him that much. Hey, I'm three years younger than he is, and I forget things too.

[freakscene]

where have you been stranger?

[concrete]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/mccain.jpg

[freakscene]

thats kinda cute

here's a better one if obama wins and the congress remains controlled by the bolsheviks

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo285/joe_user12/flag.gif

whaddya think net ?

[concrete]

No thanks. Flags and nationalism aren't big with free thinkers.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/mcbush3-wordpress.gif

[freakscene]

No thanks. Flags and nationalism aren't big with free thinkers.



you mean as an obama supporter you hate American sovereignty

i know.

[concrete]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/IMG_0787.jpg

[netwrangler]

thats kinda cute

here's a better one if obama wins and the congress remains controlled by the bolsheviks

whaddya think net ?
Hi FS,

Yeah, I think your flag is par for the course.
I bring up something based on fact.
You bring up something based on lies, innuendo, and hyperbole.

I'll bet Ben and Hank's plan must drive you nuts.

BTW: I think the flaw in McCain's citing of Navy commands was more obvious to me because I was in submarines. We didn't have too many deckhands.

Net

[freakscene]

Hi FS,

Yeah, I think your flag is par for the course.
I bring up something based on fact.
You bring up something based on lies, innuendo, and hyperbole.

I'll bet Ben and Hank's plan must drive you nuts.

BTW: I think the flaw in McCain's citing of Navy commands was more obvious to me because I was in submarines. We didn't have too many deckhands.

Net

yeah it does, but it appears Americans in general dont want it adopted.

but lies, innuendo and hyperbole.........

hold on a second. i got something for you.

yup. yup here it is, from today

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080926/financial_meltdown.html

"We're going to get this done, and stay in session as long as it takes to get it done," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.,

Any compromise is also expected to require the government to obtain partial ownership of any company it invests in.

i dont see lies, innuendo or hyperbole in the flag i created at all.

:)

[netwrangler]

i dont see lies, innuendo or hyperbole in the flag i created at all.

:)

Have to say I'm not surprised that you can't see them.
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Enjoy the debate tonight.

I'll catch you on the other side.

[XOM]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/IMG_0787.jpg

Is that a stationary or a moving pic? Cool points if you were moving.

Sorry for going off topic...carry on everybody, hi Net.

[concrete]

Moving pic, thanks for the points, i can always use a few.


Ok, let's handicap the match. McCain is a crafty old bastard who now seems capable of substituting spin when truth is inconvenient. He has thirty years of debate experience in both the US House and the US Senate. He is known as the master of the political gimmick, a razzle-dazzle campaign style that has got him thru thirty years of elections, where he constantly is pulling some kind of stunt to keep the race competitive even when he is on the losing side of public opinion and issues. So he will pull a rabbit out of his hat somewhere-advantage McCain if Obama goes blank-faced.

McCain's weaknesses are: #1 McCain, if he gets pissed off about something, is a very unpleasant man, and seems to have a problem in that TV magnifies his unpleasantness to the point people who have seen it recoil from him. His emotions take charge of his intellect. While such behavior has struck fear in the hearts of fellow Senators, a public display can doom his campaign. If Obama can piss him off, advantage Obama.

#2 McCain is old, four years older than Reagan was at this point. If McCain looks like the same old same old and Obama doesn't come across as some neophyte, advantage Obama.

#3 George Bush. I think Bush has finally crossed from "disapproval" to "visceral hatred" in the eye of the general public. If Obama can tie Bush around his neck, advantage Obama.

#4 The issues. McCain is not a policy wonk. He's always left the crap to his staff. McCain is a personna guy, and when it works, it's political dynamite, the war hero, the POW, the gritty tough little son of a bitch. But if things get too deep for him, he looks a little dumb. Advantage, could go either way.

[freakscene]

Have to say I'm not surprised that you can't see them.
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Enjoy the debate tonight.

I'll catch you on the other side.

as i, you ;)

debate appears to be a draw at best

probably be interpreted as an obama win since this should have been mckains night

[concrete]

The independents are going to switch. I see a landslide. Obama really only had to do one thing - appear plausibly presidential. I think McCain also unintentionally hurt himself even further with minorities - McCain's constant attack line of "you don't understand" came across as an attack on the intelligence of an obviously very intelligent black man. I am sure McCain was trying to play elder statesman to young wipper snapper, but I think it may have come across as "look, you dumb n*gg*r". McCain needed a big score. He did better than I expected, but he failed at twisting Obama into the storied Obambi we hear so much of here. Instead, Obama came across as logical, analytical and tough. McCain came across as tough and emotional - jesus, isn't that what we have now? McCain looked like the past, Obama like the future. Win goes to Obama, IMO, and it earned big votes.

And just wait for the Biden/Palin debate. And a whole new set of issues will become current in public arena - for example, where did this moron come from? If the woman can't handle a softball interview with Hannity/Couric, for chrissakes, she is dead meat. It will simply amplify that McCain is confused, while Obama\Biden look increasingly "presidential". Obama scored big time on street cred tonight.

[netwrangler]

debate appears to be a draw at best

probably be interpreted as an obama win since this should have been mckains night

As my uncle would say, "Weeelll, Dogies!"

I have to go back to an observation of a few months ago: Neither candidate is nearly as bad as their opposition would have you believe.
Both are better than the incumbent.

For that matter both VP candidates are better than the VP incumbent, although Palin beats out Cheney more for lack of a sinister sneer and superior gun safety practices than for any political skills.

Gonna be an interesting 40 days.

For that matter, it's gonna be an interesting weekend.

:wink:

[freakscene]

And just wait for the Biden/Palin debate. And a whole new set of issues will become current in public arena - for example, where did this moron come from? If the woman can't handle a softball interview with Hannity/Couric, for chrissakes, she is dead meat. It will simply amplify that McCain is confused, while Obama\Biden look increasingly "presidential". Obama scored big time on street cred tonight.

with the vapid non thinkers who already genuflect at his prescence, perhaps he scored.

but objective people probably picked up on that when asked what programs he would cut faced with the largest financial crisis in our times, he couldnt name a single one, and actually added two to the budget !

both of them were disappointing on the current crisis.

and would that be the same biden that didnt know who was in the White House during the start of the depression, suggested Hillary would have been a better pick than he, disapproved of an obama/biden run add, and had to be corrected on his campaigns position on coal plants..................

all within the matter of a week?

i'll concede to you socialists that palin should get creamed thursday which could be the final dagger in this event, but obama saying "John is right" over and over while biden continues to be......biden reinforces my position that "none of above" would win easily if Americans were given the option

[aiki14]

I listened to the debate as opposed to watching it, and came away with no clear winner. Saw on the BBC website that they had McCain winning, and that CNN and CBS had Obama winning, pretty handily in fact. Also heard dems turn out to watch the debate in larger numbers which could skew the opinions overall, but the CNN and CBS polls were of an equal number of dems, repubs, and independents/undecideds.
Good news for Obama as the foreign policy debate was Mr. McCain's bailiwick. Should be interesting how they come out for the next one after their respective teams evaluate the results and come up with an updated strategy. Or is it tactic?

[concrete]

My reading on poll data across the country shows a nice mushy middle, and it is there where the election will be won. I think Obama made himself a nice marshmellow sandwich. He will be the one to gain actual votes out of it, especially considering this is a crowd that watches a lot of network TV and have been digesting Palin/Couric all week. I thing it was a marvelous job of targeted marketing.

I got an email after the debate from a friend who is deaf. She is a staunch Libertarian and firmly in neither camp. She watched the debates by lip reading and close caption. Her impression was that Obama was in a different level than McCain. She said McCain was squirming and his body language suggested a man who was nearly frothing. She went on to say that the poise and polish that Obama had shined through the rhetoric. She is a proofer by profession so observation is her primary skill.

One more small point. If this election represents the rejection of all things Bush as I think it does, McCain came across as more Bush-like. Except for the hair. I took my glasses off to clean them and McCain looked oddly like Johnny Carson, about two months AFTER he died.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/fish_PresidentMcCain_500.jpg

[netwrangler]

but objective people probably picked up on that when asked what programs he would cut faced with the largest financial crisis in our times, he couldnt name a single one, and actually added two to the budget !
The correct and truthful answer to the question is:
"I can't give a definitive answer to that until I get to the decision point and all the facts are in."
Obama's answer was close to that. He said he would have to look at the state of tax revenues at budget time. He also said that he would not be able to do everything we wanted to right away. Some things would need to be deferred.
McCain came out of left field with a spending freeze. Never mind what the state of the economy might be.
But both candidates, however, missed an obvious counter question, "Compared to what?"
Are we comparing expenditures next year to an economy that doesn't have a financial crisis, or to one with a crisis and no bailout?
My guess is that neither wanted to probe the question because of the opposition by voters to the key words 'bailout' and '$700bn'.
I'm sure their debating coaches told them the less they said about the 'bailout', the better off they were.
Look how long it took to get McCain to say, "Sure."

both of them were disappointing on the current crisis.
I agree. I'd add Lehrer to the list of those who were disappointing.

and would that be the same biden that didnt know who was in the White House during the start of the depression, suggested Hillary would have been a better pick than he, disapproved of an obama/biden run add, and had to be corrected on his campaigns position on coal plants..................
Yup, that would be the guy. Ain't he a pip?

The tough part for you get used to, I know, is that Biden is the most knowledgeable of all of the candidates (including those in the primary) when it comes to foreign policy.
I love to watch Biden in action, but I have to say, with due apologies to my own ancestors, that he is too Irish.


i'll concede to you socialists that palin should get creamed thursday
Don't bet on it.


"John is right"
And he often was last night, and Obama rightly acknowledged that.
This really highlighted that, this time, the Republicans do not have a candidate in the race. The race is between a Democrat and a right-leaning Independent.

"none of above" would win easily if Americans were given the option
Too true, and true most every election year.
But so what?
Someone is going to get elected. Might as well enjoy the show.
This is great theater.

[aiki14]

Really good to see the Bassman posting here again.

Did anybody else notice that Mr. McCain referred to the Iranian "Republican Guard" and the Mr. Obama do the same? The Iranians have a Revolutionary Guard (the actual name is the "Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution" I believe), the republican guard was Saddams "elite" troops.
I thought Mr. Obama would correct him on that, but he blew it too.