The Daughter of a Soldier

[TheChartGuru]

I received this letter from a friend. A good read for those of us that are fed up with U.S. military bashing. For those of us that are fed up with so called government conspirices and blaming the U.S government for everything that is wrong in the world. Thank GOD that conservatives are the silent majority and keep the Godless, liberal-socialist-pro-terrorist minority in check. Down with the New York Slime(NYT) and two thumbs up for Fox News :) BTW, soooooo good to see NYT tanking with subscriptions and adverstising down.

The Daughter of a Soldier

Last week I was in Atlanta, Georgia attending a conference. While
I was in the airport, returning home, I heard several people behind me
beginning to clap and cheer. I immediately turned around and witnessed

one of the greatest act's of patriotism I have ever seen.

Moving thru the terminal was a group of soldiers in their camo's,

as they began heading to their gate everyone (well almost everyone)

was abruptly to their feet with their hands waving and cheering.

When I saw the soldiers, probably 30-40 of them, being applauded and

cheered for it hit me. I'm not alone. I'm not the only red blooded

American who still loves this country and supports our troops and their

families. Of course I immediately stopped and began clapping for these

young unsung heroes who are putting their lives on the line everyday for

us so we can go to school, work and home without fear or reprisal.

Just when I thought I could not be more proud of my country or of
our service men and women, a young girl, not more than 6 or 7 years
old, ran up to one of the male soldiers. He kneeled down and said "hi,"

the little girl then she asked him if he would give something to her daddy

for her.

The young soldier, he didn't look any older than maybe 22 himself,
said he would try and what did she want to give to her daddy.

Then suddenly the little girl grabbed the neck of this soldier, gave him

the biggest hug she could muster and then kissed him on the cheek.

The mother of the little girl, who said her daughters name was Courtney,

told the young soldier that her husband was a Marine and had been in Iraq

for 11 months now.

As the mom was explaining how much her daughter, Courtney, missed
her father, the young soldier began to tear up. When this temporarily
single mom was done explaining her situation, all of the soldiers huddled
together for a brief second. Then one of the other servicemen pulled out a
military looking walkie-talkie. They started playing with the device and
talking back and forth on it.

After about 10-15 seconds of this, the young soldier walked back over
to Courtney, bent down and said this to her, "I spoke to your daddy
and he told me to give this to you." He then hugged this little girl that
he had just met and gave her a kiss on the cheek. He finished by saying
"your daddy told me to tell you that he loves you more than anything and
he is coming home very soon." The mom at this point was crying almost
uncontrollably and as the young soldier stood to his feet he saluted
Courtney and her mom.

I was standing no more than 6 feet away from this entire event unfolded.
As the soldiers began to leave, heading towards their gate, people
resumed their applause. As I stood there applauding and looked around,
their were very few dry eyes, including my own. That young soldier in one
last act of selflessness, turned around and blew a kiss to Courtney with a
tear rolling down his cheek.

We need to remember everyday all of our soldiers and their families and
thank God for them and their sacrifices. At the end of the day, it's good
to be an American.



Red Friday Just keeping you "in the loop" so you'll know what's going
on in case this takes off. RED FRIDAYS ----- Very soon, you will see a
great many people wearing Red every Friday. The reason? Americans who

support our troops used to be called the "silent majority". We are no longer
silent, and are voicing our love for God, country and home in record
breaking numbers. We are not organized, boisterous or over-bearing.

We get no liberal media coverage on TV, to reflect our message or our
opinions.

Many Americans, like you, me and all our friends, simply want to recognize
that the vast majority of America supports our troops. Our idea of showing
solidarity and support for our troops with dignity and respect starts this
Friday -and continues each and every Friday until the troops all come home,
sending a deafening message that.. Every red-blooded American who
supports our men and women afar will wear something red.

By word of mouth, press, TV-- let's make the United States on every Friday

a sea of red much like a homecoming football game in the bleachers.

If every one of us who loves this country will share this with acquaintances,

co-workers, friends, and family. It will not be long before the USA is covered

in RED and it will let our troops know the once "silent" majority is on their side
more than ever, certainly more than the media lets on.

The first thing a soldier says when asked "What can we do to make things
better for you?" is...We need your support and your prayers. Let's get the
word out and lead with class and dignity, by example; and wear something
red every Friday.


The Guru has spoken

[NATHAN LLOYD]

I'm with the majority in the US that don't support this war. I do support the poor peons (troops) used by our government to destroy other countries and lives. I understand that they're not intelligent enough to think for themselves. Fox News is made for those who enjoy being brainwashed to believe in a sugar-coated world. It's amazing how tied in the chuch is with supporting the destruction of other countries.

[oldboldpilot]

Those are pretty strong, intolerant words TCG. I am the leading proponent of freedom of speech but you seem to condemn those who don't agree with you or your politics as the Godless, liberal-socialist-pro-terrorist minority.
As a matter of fact, if you check the polls (which I'm certain you feel are manipulated by the liberal press) I think you will find that the majority of folks in this country disagree with the war but support the troops in that they don't want these kids killed or maimed for a fruitless cause.
When this conflict started, I wrote a friend predicting that it would end as a civil war between religious factions. More people have been murdered in the name of religion than any other cause.
This war is not a righteous war; it was begun on the basis of ill conceived prevarications which finally caught up to this administration.
I would hope you reflect upon your words and possibly develop a more Christian perspective.

[NATHAN LLOYD]

Sometimes I tend to be too calous when it comes to our veterans. I had a friend who was in The Gulf War, and he said it was surprising how little people cared that he had spent time in the war protecting the US citizens. I told him that he was stupid to think that most people cared about him protecting tht US. I, personally, think that they're pawns used for the people of the government, and I don't consider them our protectors. However, I lost a friend for being candid about what I thought. I still have to bite my tongue not to try to explain what I think. Your story, Chart Guru, was great, and it almost put me to tears.

I really wish I felt the government was there for its people. I could care less if it's Democrats or Republicans that are the majority. I just wish they'd support the people in the US. I had an apartment in New Orleans when Katrina hit. The devastation there was never attempted to be rebuilt. This is just one example of many that has lead me to dislike our current government.

[oldboldpilot]

P.S. The story was very moving and I don't believe there is anyone who is more sympathetic to a soldiers plight than I. I've been there in another "war" that was also fruitless. The cost ....more than 68,000 men killed and countless wounded and disabled for life.
The 38th parallel still divides a country where many of my companions forever lie.
Wars are fought on the whims and failed diplomacy of fools !

[NATHAN LLOYD]

For those of us that are fed up with so called government conspirices and blaming the U.S government for everything that is wrong in the world. Thank GOD that conservatives are the silent majority and keep the Godless, liberal-socialist-pro-terrorist minority in check.
Just because I can use my brain critically to think about current events, does not make me a liberal, a socialist, and definitely not a pro-terrorist. I'm sorry for thinking beyond what Fox News lets you think. I live in reality, & not one made up by a news station and preachers. You're one of the herd. You shouldn't put down those who can think for themselves.

Having god or not is just a worthless, personal claim imo. I don't have to have that crutch to face life. Why are you so prejudice against those who are not like you? Is it because they challenge your way of thinking? I'm sure the preachers tell you to block out thoughts that come from Satan and that I'd be one of his messengers...LOL. This is just one of the little mechanisms the church uses to keep its masses brainwashed.

[krazykowboy]

Amen TCG, how right you are !

The sad part is you don't stand a snowballs chance in Hell of getting through to the thick skulled imbiciles that dominate this forum.

god luck to you though, you're about the only one around that has any decency or common sense about them.

I think you could find a better forum elsewhere to spend your time in.

I think Thierry is masqarading as a covert communist, with Nathan and OldBold as sidekicks.

[NATHAN LLOYD]

Krazykowboy, you're still f'n funny. I got another laugh out of you. Thanks. Covert communists....are you really so old to think like this?

[TheChartGuru]

Very interesting how you guys are defending yourselves. What makes you guys think that I was referring to you? Huuuuuuuuuuumm.....I guess if the shoe fits, wear it. I never thought you guys were so radical and such extremists. Calling our brave soldiers "poor peons" and "not intellegent enough to think for themselves" is insulting to our entire military! Those same "poor dumb peons" have kept us free for over 200 years.

"More people have been murdered in the name of religion than any other cause". Yeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...hellooooooooooooooo? That's what this war is about. We are fighting radical extremist that want to wipe out Jews, Christians and Americans in general. They blow themselves up and kill innocent people including children. They shoot rockets into Israel to kill as many civilians as possible, yet your CNN and New York Slime only report on the Lebanese civilian casualties even though Israel is trying to target the cowardly terrorits that hide behind women and children and use them as shields. I am compassionate, however. I understand that, like alcoholism, Liberalism is a disease. Their priorities and rationale are all screwy. For example, a liberal rather save a tree, abort a baby. Save the racoon, don't drill for oil. Terrorists are misunderstood, our soldiers are peons. There is no God, we evolved from bacteria. Global warming, blame Bush LOL

I hope you guys are better traders LOL

The Guru has spoken

[NATHAN LLOYD]

For example, a liberal rather save a tree, abort a baby. Save the racoon, don't drill for oil. Terrorists are misunderstood, our soldiers are peons. There is no God, we evolved from bacteria. Global warming, blame Bush LOL
I don't blame Bush for global warming. Israel is the ones killing babies. I'd never vote to kill a baby. Terrorists is a word used for anyone in the government's way. It makes the peons feel better about who they're shooting. We could save much of nature by nuclear reactors and electric cars. That doesn't mean that I don't think we should be drilling off of the coast or wherever oil can be found.

Evolving from bacteria is a logical explanation. Being made on the 6th day by some supernatural being is utter nonsense. Some of us have evolved a higher level of thinking, and realize this is a fable made up several thousand years ago before most could read or write; i.e., a story for the illiterate. I was reading chapters from the Bible when I was 6. I came to understand it as a good tool for teaching morals to young children. There is no other use for it except for those who wish to control the gullible masses.

P.S. I've learned to trade from TA, and I got that motivation from you. I appreciate it.

[TheChartGuru]

[QUOTE=krazykowboy]Amen TCG, how right you are !

"The sad part is you don't stand a snowballs chance in Hell of getting through to the thick skulled imbiciles that dominate this forum. "

Hey krazy, first of all, I don't think that anyone dominates this forum. It's usually the same 3-5 guys ranting and blaming America for everything. So I wouldn't be too worried about a liberal take over of the forum LOL. Secondly, my intentions are not to get through any body's skull. I copied this letter for those of us that want to read about a positive story about real Americans caring for our brave troops. Just so happens that certain people lashed back defending their anti American and anti government views.


god luck to you though, you're about the only one around that has any decency or common sense about them.



"I think you could find a better forum elsewhere to spend your time in."

Well the market is closed and I have done all my stock homework for the evening. LOL Since this is the Off Topic forum, this is a good place to express any views or talk freely about different topics, after all the "poor dumb peons" in our military have fought and died for this freedom.

The Guru has spoken

[oldboldpilot]

Now there is an alliance surely made in heaven. Krazy Kowboy a.k.a the boobyahoo and TCG.
Crazies come in all shades, shapes and sizes and the religious zealots of the world are the bane of all mankind whether, Christian, Jew, Muslim or Krazy Kowboy.
Don't want toi get into a name calling contest so I would advise taking a deep breath, assess your comments and see if you can couch them in a less
antogonistic manner. After all, we are all God's children, right ?? Well, almost all !



Allah Akhbar........just practicing in case I live for another 20 years.

[TheChartGuru]

I don't blame Bush for global warming. Israel is the ones killing babies. I'd never vote to kill a baby. Terrorists is a word used for anyone in the government's way. It makes the peons feel better about who they're shooting. We could save much of nature by nuclear reactors and electric cars. That doesn't mean that I don't think we should be drilling off of the coast or wherever oil can be found.

Evolving from bacteria is a logical explanation. Being made on the 6th day by some supernatural being is utter nonsense. Some of us have evolved a higher level of thinking, and realize this is a fable made up several thousand years ago before most could read or write; i.e., a story for the illiterate. I was reading chapters from the Bible when I was 6. I came to understand it as a good tool for teaching morals to young children. There is no other use for it except for those who wish to control the gullible masses.

P.S. I've learned to trade from TA, and I got that motivation from you. I appreciate it.

I'm glad to have been of help my brother Nathan and I will help you and anyone else that ask for any advice on technical analysis. But that is in the other forum.
"Evolving from bacteria is a logical explanation"? No comment! LOL So all the complexeties of nature and the universe happened by accident? If in the worse case scenerio there is no GOD and the Bible is only a good tool for teaching morals, so be it. I could die and have lived as moral and righteous a life as possible. Even your father of evolution, Darwin, admitted holes and improbabilities in his theory and if I remeber correctly, he even converted to Christianity after reading the Bible. So if you don't believe in GOD, you better be right!
BTW, I'm studying and using Fibonacci numbers in my trading. It is quite amazing how these numbers are found in nature and can be used in stock trading. Of course, I'm sure that this natural phenomena is all an accident and it evolved from the almighty bacteria.

The Guru has spoken

[Joel90069]

"Radicals" and "extremists"? Guru, I think those labels are more appropriate for you neo-facist rantings. All Americans support our military. It's the pro war politicans that liberals (and I'm proud to be one), have the problem with. Our dutiful, patriotic young men and women are doing their job. Unfortunetly they're being exploited by a twisted, criminal government who have the blood of a whole genration on their hands. Shame on you for allowing yourself to be lobotmized by conservative immorality.

[Thierry Martin]

I think Thierry is masqarading as a covert communist, with Nathan and OldBold as sidekicks.
:confused: :?:
I'm not a communist - where did you get that idea? The comment I made about the twin towers collapse was just to point out that if the buildings had been built as well as the dozens of other buildings in the world that have had fires, and some of those fires lasted over 24 hours, there would have been maybe a couple of hundred people killed, and no collapse, and maybe we wouldn't have seen this trillion dollar response. The point I was making is that the threat of terrorism has been amplified by the buildings collapsing, of course I am opposed to violence and terrorism. No matter who is dishing it out.

[TheChartGuru]

"Radicals" and "extremists"? Guru, I think those labels are more appropriate for you neo-facist rantings. All Americans support our military. It's the pro war politicans that liberals (and I'm proud to be one), have the problem with. Our dutiful, patriotic young men and women are doing their job. Unfortunetly they're being exploited by a twisted, criminal government who have the blood of a whole genration on their hands. Shame on you for allowing yourself to be lobotmized by conservative immorality.


Liberals support our troops and our military? LOL Now that is an oxymoron. LIberals just don't get it. War = blood and death. Dum-di-dum-dum. Helloooooooooo.......?????? So you blame OUR government for having "blood of a whole generation on their hands"? You obviously forgot that we were attacked first on 9/11. Of course the right approach would have been to do what Clinton would have done, to shoot a couple of rockets at some empty warehouses to show the terrorists not to mess with the U.S, then continue his "duties" in the "Ovary Office" ;) Now you want our troops to surrender and wave a white flag and go on with our lives as if it was September 10th.

The Guru has spoken

[oldboldpilot]

Nothing seems to faze the religious right and their propensity to sermonize. They have it right, no one else does and all of us sinners are condemned to hell because we don't think as they do. Personally, I think the world would be so much better without the likes of the Pat Robertsons and the Jerry Falwells.
If you are opposed to the war, you are a fascist ? ....what a bunch of holier than thou horse crap.
I don't choose to announce my religious convictions publicly because I feel that is a private issue and I have found that those who profess their faith the loudest are those who are certainly in dire need of devine intervention.
The pulpit belongs in church......keep it there !

[BuyOnDips]

What's sad is the liberal main stream media has a terrible agenda. They all hate Bush. So they want the war to fail. They never report the progress being made. Shame on them.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/2006/08/a_general_fed_up_with_the_msm.html

They even want Israel to fail. Notice how all the doctored and staged photos are getting into the newspapers trying to make Israel look bad.

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http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005687.htm

[oldboldpilot]

Irrespective of the liberal press, do you really feel we are accomplishing anything in Iraq ?

Do you feel all of the people who voted against Leiberman in Connecticut are left wing liberals who hate Bush and want us to fail in Iraq?

The Iraqi PEOPOLE want us out...the Iraqi government that we have endorsed and whose virtues we have extolled (to Vladimir Putin) wants us out .

Four generals testified before a Congressional sub committee that Iraq is virtually destined to become a civil war quagmire.

And STILL you defend the war ??

[soundlanguage]

I'm probably going to regret jumping in this boiling pot but ...

The way it reads this story is probably exaggerated (if not mostly fabricated) to tug on the patriotic heartstrings of the sheeple. There's a long history of stories like this being told and circulated during times of great internal domestic crisis. Helps to make people weepy, and angry. This overly sentimental dross is the most effective emotional button-pushers there are. Reagan used it all the time .... Funny how people that fall for this tend to be very sensitive, easily offended, and conversly hostile to the point of using or justifying violence to proove a moral point. In other words willing to kill for what they believe in, or will grant others the power to do the killing for them. The most dangerous mentality of all is he who easily dismisses others for their beliefs and bypasses dialogue for the quick fix of emotional justification or seeming to be "right". Also called a fundamentalist. They aren't just found in middle east terror camps, many can be found shopping at the Wal-Mart or in their homes with soiled, sun faded Made-in-China America flags waving out front.



Mind you, no big deal or any surprise if the story is indeed true, as in this NYC area uniformed soldiers in uniform get many nods, "thank you's", round of applause passing through our airports and transportation hubs, i've done & seen it myself. It is a fact that a disproportionate number of soldiers now fighting in Iraq come from NYC area, keep in mind many are democrats and/or muslims.

We all understand they're people first, not soldiers, and what they've chosen to do or been sent to do is not their choice. We all see the complexities, live in the grey area daily... elsewhere often seems to be more B&W which is sad. Such mentality only leads to misunderstandings, oversimplifying, extremism, xenophobia. (which is why i left the South... comfort over truth rubs against my nature)


At ths point anyone that believes in continuing this Iraqi occupation has a responsibility to explain why in detail. Why should billions more of our collective tax dollars be used this way instead of repairing this country, assuring that pensions & social security will be there, create a proper health care system, overhaul the schools, infrastructure, faze out oil based energies by switching to numerous alternatives, et c. Don't parrot what you hear or read. Offer YOUR opinion, toss in independent (no-agenda) sources.

And for god sake, give a convincing explanation why you voted for Bush after all the sh*t his father Bush Sr. left us with- the S&L scandal that bankrupted our country, sending arms to militants all over which killed countless civilians worldwide and helped prop up/install wicked fascist jauntas, helping creating the Taleban, doing nothing to solve many domestic crisis plaguing us making many cities and towns feel like a third world country, assisting/allowing CIA planes to import hard drugs into cities creating a nation of junkies, addicts, which lead directly to crime outbreak, pushing for deregulation/privatizing energy companies to increase big business profits, buddying up to Saddam then allowing him to invade Kuwait (he told the White House a few days beforehand, there was no protest) then mysteriously attacking Iraq killing thousands of Kurdish civilains only to flip flop then back out ... leaving Saddam in power!!

I'm not very old (nor too stupid) to have forgotten my countries history.

[aiki14]

I am a godless liberal. I find the whole religion thing sort of wacky and have never felt the need for moral guidance from any church, logic is enough to believe in the golden rule, and I don't need the wrath of a deity to threaten me with eternal damnation to live in a civilized fashion. I think the federalist papers are a better group of lessons than a book where a guy lives in a whales belly and a "loving God" goes around smiting everybody, but heck you believe what you want.
I supported removing saddam, and I support the removal of all despots and repressive regimes. I am greatfull for our armed forces and their fine and selfless work. I think the Bush administration has put our forces in harms way for reasons not altogether altruistic, if they had the same furvor to take out the bad guys in places where economic concerns aren't a factor they would gain a lot of credence (Darfor, Zimbabwe, N. Korea, etc).
As to the attacks on the patriotism of my ilk (liberals), remember that the country was founded by liberal elites (Jefferson, Madison, Franklin), who were smart enough to realize that the loyal dissenters are essential to a democracy, as is respect for the minority view and protection of the individuals right to espouse it.
Would you self professed conservatives have it that everyone was lock step behind our current leaders? Maybe a fanatical devotion to them? History is repleat with those type of societies (Spanish inquisition, Imperial Japan, Khmer Rouge) and we know how that went. What makes America great IS our tolerance for the dissent, a concept "true believers" have difficulty with since religion deals with doctrine while a democracy deals with a wide variety of opinions.
I am not impressed with flag waving and chest thumping, thats not patriotism, it's a joke. Knowing the constitution and the bill of rights and truly understanding what makes America the exceptional place it is, and living the ideals of our founding fathers, thats patriotism. And finally courage is going against the prevailing power and standing up for a belief, courage is the lone guy standing in front of the tank in Tiananmen square not the loud mouth bullies waving flags and telling everyone they don't agree with to shut up.

[TheChartGuru]

Irrespective of the liberal press, do you really feel we are accomplishing anything in Iraq ?

Do you feel all of the people who voted against Leiberman in Connecticut are left wing liberals who hate Bush and want us to fail in Iraq?

The Iraqi PEOPOLE want us out...the Iraqi government that we have endorsed and whose virtues we have extolled (to Vladimir Putin) wants us out .

Four generals testified before a Congressional sub committee that Iraq is virtually destined to become a civil war quagmire.

And STILL you defend the war ??


"Do you feel all of the people who voted against Leiberman in Connecticut are left wing liberals who hate Bush and want us to fail in Iraq?"

Absolutely! This primary exposed the weak Democrats and the liberals. This primary was a perfect example of the far left liberals stance on the war and the Bush administration. Very interestintg how the far left Lamont supporters support retreat and surrender and the more moderate Leiberman's supporters want us to stay the course. It is good to know that Lieberman only lost by a few points that he will gain back, and then some, when he runs as an Independent. It's good to see that a liberal state like Connecticut is split almost in the middle when it comes to the war in Iraq. So hopefully the conservative states will once again put a Republican President in the White House. God help us if Hillary wins LOL. Lamont's main issue was the war and the current administration. He has nothing else to offer Connecticut. Those that voted for Lamont were protesting the way. Plain and simple. Even CNN interviewed two Lamont supporters that admitted just that! No matter how liberals try to defend themselves from being cowards or how they try to convince the rest of us of supporting the troops, we know better. BTW Aiki, don't even begin to compare the liberism of two hundred years ago with the leftist, socialist, liberals of today. Don't mention our heroes like Jefferson, Madison and Franklin in the same breath with Sharpten, Palosi, Kerry or Dean. In fact, don't even compare today's socialist liberals with Democrats of just 40 years ago. Kennedy must be rolling in his grave of how the Democratic Party has changed since he was president.

The Guru has spoken

[aiki14]

I don't remember mentioning anyone in the same breath as the founders, who I regard as heroes as well. And if you're calling me a coward for being a liberal that's just nuts, give a call some time and I'll tell you what I was doing while your president was a cheerleader and your VP was hiding behind his wifes skirt. Don't mistake rhetoric for toughness, sending some other guys kids to fight is not the same as facing off with a bad guy yourself. Who's tough and brave exactly? Bush? Cheney? Rove? Melman? Ralph Reed? Cheney is a grizzled looking character I admit but the others look like sissies to me. They talk tough but look like they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Maybe Rumsfeld, I hear he wrestled in college. How about you Guru, you brave? Or just OK with letting someone else take the shrapnel and talking about how every liberal is a coward.
Still praying for me Frank? The vitriol doesn't sit well with your previous statements, WWJD? I doubt he'd be so angry, and what would he say about your casting stones? Peace be with you my brother.

[Svenwulf]

Agreed aiki.. so many points that even many daily show watching "liberals" dont even understand. but for the sake of brevity, i will leave it with this simple thought: only those who have never faced combat are eager for war. make no mistake, our enemies (radical islam) are out to destroy us. but to transform the usa from the moral/political high ground post 9/11 into the the worlds bully/object of ire in less than 5 short years is either derelicton or treason on the part of our leadership. and those leaders are accountable to us, the people. oh, wait, diebold...

i saw a cool bumper sticker a few years back, when the flag waving was fever pitch: War is not patriotic.

[NATHAN LLOYD]

"Do you feel all of the people who voted against Leiberman in Connecticut are left wing liberals who hate Bush and want us to fail in Iraq?"

Absolutely! This primary exposed the weak Democrats and the liberals. This primary was a perfect example of the far left liberals stance on the war and the Bush administration. Very interestintg how the far left Lamont supporters support retreat and surrender and the more moderate Leiberman's supporters want us to stay the course. It is good to know that Lieberman only lost by a few points that he will gain back, and then some, when he runs as an Independent. It's good to see that a liberal state like Connecticut is split almost in the middle when it comes to the war in Iraq. So hopefully the conservative states will once again put a Republican President in the White House. God help us if Hillary wins LOL. Lamont's main issue was the war and the current administration. He has nothing else to offer Connecticut. Those that voted for Lamont were protesting the way. Plain and simple. Even CNN interviewed two Lamont supporters that admitted just that! No matter how liberals try to defend themselves from being cowards or how they try to convince the rest of us of supporting the troops, we know better. BTW Aiki, don't even begin to compare the liberism of two hundred years ago with the leftist, socialist, liberals of today. Don't mention our heroes like Jefferson, Madison and Franklin in the same breath with Sharpten, Palosi, Kerry or Dean. In fact, don't even compare today's socialist liberals with Democrats of just 40 years ago. Kennedy must be rolling in his grave of how the Democratic Party has changed since he was president.

The Guru has spoken
You're views are totally out of wack. Retreat my ass. We want out of a situation that is doing nothing but sucking our tax dollars. You're naivety is really irritating. You're so full of absolute mindless junk. How the freak can you say we want to retreat and surrender. This is so stupid and pathetic. We don't even have a front we're fighting on. We don't even have a purpose to be in Iraq. There is no war to retreat from. Wake the hell up!! You speak of cowards from behind a computer screen. You should take your mindless ideas into Iraq and fight the rats in the street.

[oldboldpilot]

Guru, I would really like you to witness firsthand the torso of a 2 year old kid lying in the street, headless with their bowls strewn all over the ground. Witness that and then tell me how justifiable this war is and how we should further destroy this country. Then I would like you to watch a religious crazy with C4 strapped around their waist come running at you screaming Allah Akhbar as they blow themselves all over the landscape. Or maybe your preference is to be splattered with the brains of the kid fighting next to you as his head turns into red mush. Too graphic ??

Only those who have never witnessed war are those who defend it the loudest. This must seem a holy war to you........those heathens deserve to die, right.

God, I just LOVE the smell of napalm and burning flesh in the morning ! I think that was a line from Apocolypse Now wasn't it ? A film written and directed by a commie undoubtedly.

[TheChartGuru]

No doubt that war is hell. Wars have been fought ever since there have been disagreements. Wars are a necesary evil. We either fight these radical Muslims on their turf or we fight them here in America. Simple as that. These animals want us dead. Those heathens do deserve to die! They want to elimanate everyone that is not Muslim. We can fight until there is victory, or we retreat and let Iran take over the Middle East and declare victory over the mighty U.S. Imagine if we had let Hitler take over Europe.

Nathan you are more concerned about our tax dollars then defeating the enemy and my views are totally out of whack? LOL

Maybe you guys should start an adapt-a-Hezbollah-soldier program LOL

How 'bout having a some beer and pretzels with some good ole alqueida soldiers. Oops wait, they may chop of your heads off when they see the cheerleaders in their skimpy outfits. Huuuuummmm...maybe bowling is safer. What ever we do, we must not offend these poor misunderstood terrorists. Remember, they are the victims right ? ;)

The Guru has spoken

[BuyOnDips]

I think taking out Saddam was the right thing to do. In fact, we should have removed him during the first Gulf War and maybe lots of the terrorists activities(including 9/11) wouldn't have happened if the Western Civilization would have developed a back bone and confronted Muslism Fascists instead of ignoring the problems and trying to negotiate with terrorists and murderous dictators. Of course the Germans, French, Russians, Chinese and a few other countries got lots and lots of money through the scandelous "Food for Oil" UN debacle, while an estimated 5000 Iraqi children under age 5 were dying each month.

Both Bush(41) and Clinton should have attacked Iraq. He was an evil man that thumbed his nose at all the UN resolutions. Why does the UN issue resolutions if they don't enforce them? Why didn't the UN remove weapons from Hezbollah? Does anybody think Iran will listen to the UN? How about North Korea?

Lots of good has come from invading Iraq. Thousands of al qada fighters are dead, including Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Many of Saddam's henchmen are in prison or dead including his 2 evil sons. Terrorist no longer have open training bases(sanctuaries) in Afghanistan, Yemen or Iraq. Libya has stopped it's WMD program. Iraq now has a democratic government. Over 12 million people voted. I think that's pretty amazing in such a short time.

Has the war gone smoothly? Nope. I don't think any war ever has. Hindsight is always easy. Try reading about all our past wars, including the USA civil war and see all the terrible mistakes that were made. The people were not to happy with Lincoln either. He probably would have lost the election back then if the NY Times, CNN and the BBC were constantly reporting their slanted propaganda. I think Bush and his advisors made lots of mistakes. I think they didn't have enough troops(you knew that when you saw all the looting). They really needed an over whelming force to police the country after the intial fighting was over. They probably should have divided Iraq into 3 countries, splitting the oil revenue among the shiites, kurds and sunnis. Another mistake was not destroying the Iraqi Militias. Sadr and his men are doing much of the sectarian killings now. We should have killed Sadr and destroyed his militia when we had the chance. Ooops. See what happens when you try to be nice to terrorists like Sadr??? Another problem they didn't address was allowing Iran and Syria to let insurgents and weapons back into Iraq. We needed more troops to watch the border. Bush never backed up his warnings to Syria or Iran. He probably should have bombed their borders to stop it.

Do the Iraqis want us out of their country? Yup. Nobody wants to be occupied. We don't want to be there either. But if you asked the Iraqis if they want the USA and Britain to leave today, they would almost all would say no(except for the insurgents and a few of the militias). The Iraqi people want the coalition forces to leave when their government can secure their own country. If we left today, Iraq would probably go to a civil war where hundreds of thousands of people would die, perhaps even more than 1 million would die. The conflict could even spread in the middle east as Sunnis fight Shiites. Imagine how high oil prices would go then. Ouch.

Anyway, I currently agree on the Iraq situation with this article from Ralph Peters.
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/back_to_baghdad_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm

The western world is at war with muslim fascists. It's too bad many liberals don't understand the peril we are currently facing. Like the author said in that great article
The Brink of Madness... "In short, if we wish to learn what was going on in Europe in 1938, just look around."

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDBhMzg5Mzk4NjQ5MjM5OTJhZjRjMWQ4OWMzNDhmMzk=

[aiki14]

Guru wrote "Those heathens do deserve to die!"

As a heathen by definition, I take offense at that.

Heathen is from Old English hæðen "not Christian or Jewish", (c.f. Old Norse heiðinn). Historically, the term was probably influenced by Gothic haiþi "dwelling on the heath", appearing as haiþno in Ulfilas' bible as "gentile woman," (translating the Greek in Mark 7:26). This translation probably influenced by Latin paganus, "country dweller", or it was chosen because of its similarity to the Greek ethne, "gentile". It has even been suggested that Gothic haiþi is not related to "heath" at all, but rather a loan from Armenian hethanos, itself loaned from Greek ethnos.

Clearly the guru has ceded the moral high ground, how sad. Zealotry and intolerance are always intertwined. Maybe a bible quote would be helpful here, anyone know the chapter and verse where it gives the exceptions to "thou shalt not kill" or "judge not lest ye be judged". WWJD? Seriously Frank, you better hope I'm right and it all ends with an endless dirtnap, cause if you're right, your boy at the right hand of the father is gonna be pissed at you for the nonsense you've been spouting in his name.

Lot's of more cogent points there Buy on dips. Losing Saddam and his malignant brats was a good overall thing and the possibility of a million dead in a civil war in Iraq were we to leave is chilling, but what are we doing that does anything but delay it? Are we achieving any real progress or do we have our finger in a dyke but doing nothing to permanently patch the hole? You put down the BBC, CNN, and NY Times but put forth articles by equally (if oppositely) partisan outlets, what makes them more believable, not just that their viewpoint agrees with yours? I can't see either side as trustworthy, or unbiased.

[NATHAN LLOYD]

We can fight until there is victory, or we retreat and let Iran take over the Middle East and declare victory over the mighty U.S.

Nathan you are more concerned about our tax dollars then defeating the enemy and my views are totally out of whack?

What enemy do you speak of? We're not fighting Iran. Where did you get this idea from? Iran might actually pose a threat, but our president and his directors are too scared to oppose any real threat.

We invaded a destitute, helpless country (Iraq), and allowed the sects therein to increase the violence and kill each other. This is all that has been accomplished. Oh I forgot we irritated more than a billion people to increase the terrorist risks in the US for the next 50 years.

[soundlanguage]

Imagine if we had let Hitler take over Europe


Imagine if Hitler was never able to secure financing for his campaigns. Does money come from thin air? Who helped him into power anyway?

Curious that even when Hitler & His Nazi's were making front page news and shocking the world Senator Prescott Bush, his father & his Harriman pal didn't seem to have any qualms about trading with the enemy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

Then, as now, it's "just business".



Round & round & round they go, when will it stop nobody knows:

Bankers, Money Laundering, Military Contractors, "Al Qaeda", arming your enemies while manipulating them to annihilate one another, the world elite sharing control of OIL, I.G. Farben, Standard Oil, secret german synthetic oil production, Saudi's Petrodollars buying up American companies(Citigroup, AOL), George Herbert Walker Bush funding Hitler, Cheney, James Baker 3rd, Hunt, corrupt CIA insiders, ISI, unkown #'s of spies on the black op's payroll, Khashoggi, Khalid Bin Mahfouz, Islamo-Fascist Brotherhood, Swiss banker Francois Genoud, Murdoch's dumbing down of the US media, rigged elections, international drug/arms running, the triggering of world wars ... the batton is handed to a new generation of runners.

Seeing a pattern yet?



With so many terrorist nests in your own backyard i'd start doing a little reading before uttering another useless word on a messageboard if i were you. No offense, but your perspective seems twisted around still, passive, personally religiously biased, defensive, taking the pablum news sources as gospel. I thought this way at 16 yrs old until things began to click. Reality is inside out, backwards and illogical than how we percieve it. The truth isnt pretty so if you can't handle difficult 'grey shades' of reality then back away now because you'll never grasp how convoluted things really are. (and have always been) Realign yourself to seeing in a new challenging way.

Since you live in Florida, why not start with what's locally familiar and branch out from there. Look into Welcome to Terrorland. More recommendations once that's digested. *happy reading*

[soundlanguage]

No doubt that war is hell. Wars have been fought ever since there have been disagreements. Wars are a necesary evil. We either fight these radical Muslims on their turf or we fight them here in America. Simple as that. These animals want us dead. Those heathens do deserve to die! They want to elimanate everyone that is not Muslim. We can fight until there is victory, or we retreat and let Iran take over the Middle East and declare victory over the mighty U.S. Imagine if we had let Hitler take over Europe.

The Guru has spoken


What is victory in your mind? When do we officially "win"?

Do you think everyone over there is fighting us for the same reason?


Honestly, i'd like to know, i'm not being flippant. Rereading my older posts i want to add an apology for seemingly criticizing your comments ... frankly, it's just your outlook is generally reactive, thin, logic is hollow. Like you toss out opinions without truly thinking them over. These days matters are far too serious for that don't you think?

I just want to flush out idea's here, to make it clear for future reference i don't mean to stir things up with my posts which i'm well aware are opinionated and have recently been in response to your own. No one is "right" or wrong, smart or dumb here, we're all just on their own level of understanding regarding world events.

There's a lot of infighting going on in our country, these posts are starting to represent what every American feels. I hope we can all rise above our own ego's & grasp the big picture here and not retreat into safe camps of archaic predefined ideologies .... the old rules don't apply anymore, not that it ever was *that* simple.

Overwhelming pressure is being applied to us all to choose teams, that's the plan.
Lets not fall for it this time.

[oldboldpilot]

Let me hear an AMEN ! Damn bro, you nailed it..not that your argument will carry any weight with the BAC (Born Again Christians) or.a
s we call them here, The Sanctimnioous Blowhards....TSB for short.
It's funny that I have been labeled a liberal by these folks because all of my life I have been known as a "hard liner". I subscribed to the"domino theory" when I was young because I did not know the difference between truth and fiction. The fact that we are in a war with terrorists in undeniable. The sad fact is that Iraq was not a member of that faction until we invaded the country. That isn't to say there were not fanatics there..but we can say pretty much the same thing about out own religious community, can we not ? I guess the difference is that Muslim zealots are willing to give their lives for their cause whereas OUR zealots just like to run about seeking new proselytes. You want to make your point...go out on a battlefield and expose youirselves to the fields of fire..then come back and tell me how dedicated you are to freeing the Irqaqi people. That IS why we are fighting the war, is it not ?? Has nothing to do with oil or our "tactical" position in that part of the world ? When you get done with that funny cigaratte, pass it on and don't Bogart it...thanks !

Those countries that disagree with our moral code , our foreign policy or our way of life should be destroyed which puts France pretty high on our "to do" list. Waddya think.....Frogs for lunch ??

[MoMoney4Me]

We could learn a lot from crayons: They can have weird names and are different colours… but they all exist very nicely in the same box.


What the Bible says..........
Hear the disputes between your people and judge fairly, whether the case is between two Israelites or between an Israelite and a foreigner residing among you.
Do not show partiality in judging; hear both small and great alike. Do not be afraid of anyone, for judgment belongs to God.

Deut. 1: 16-17

[MoMoney4Me]

Mark 12:28-31 Now one of the experts in the law came and heard them debating. When he saw that Jesus answered them well, he asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 29 Jesus answered, “The most important is: ‘Listen, Israel, the Lord our God is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with your whole heart, with your whole soul, with your whole mind, and with your whole strength.’ 31 The second is: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

[NATHAN LLOYD]

I have come to a conclusion as to what conspiracy is correct about 9-11. I understand why I feel that all the news stations are in cahoots about what BS they feed us. You can label me as an extremist, a liberal, a zionist, a prejudice idiot, or even a paranoid delisionist, but this will not change my views. I consider myself a critical thinker, and I have never been prejudice against any one specific group. I do hate the mindlessness of the average person, but I understand that it's easier to get spoon fed reality through a sugar-coated news media than it is to think for one's self. In my opinion, I find it amazing how steadfast people are in following the norm because they're afraid of some label for thinking different from the masses. Anyone who isn't scared to think out of the box for a little while, should view these videos. There are 5 of them. I'll have to admit that there might be some truth stretching here, but nothing explains why there was a coverup of the events that happened on 9-11 better. The news stations were obviously covering up the truth for some reason. It doesn't take someone too intelligent to realize this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1585562142333161866&q=911+Stranger+Then+Fiction+Part+V

[Pierre]

Hey Nate, ya still got any Y2k beans stored in your basement or did ya sell'em on Ebay yet...
Just kidding brother, unfortunately I don't think you get the meaning of a democracy yet, it sort of goes like this...
What I hear you spewing all the time, is that the current administration, is just not doing the wrong thing thing, they're not doing what Nathan Lloyd wants... that's okay, because you probably did not vote for George Bush, you voted for another candidate... unfortunately, your candidate did not garner enough votes and therefore Nathan Lloyd does not get what he wants...
I on the other hand did vote for George Bush and apparently so did a majority of the voting public, henceforth, we get what we want...It's not hard, real simple...
Now if you can think back a few years ago, during the Clinton era, Pierre was unhappy, although he chose not to believe the silly right wing conspiracy nuts that were out there and they're were many... Pierre, instead chose to support the GOP, so Pierre, could perhaps see his party, push legislation that would make Pierre happy, it was a good choice for me unfortunately not for you...
So the bottom line... Nate, is, put your money where your mouth is, contribute to your party of choice, find out the issues, support your candidate and try to convince one more person than the GOP can so maybe your candidate can win the 08 election then voila... Nathan Lloyd gets what he wants... Not hard... real simple
I am in agreement with you that for the most part Governments in general suck! BUT, it's the only one we got so if we want to make an actual difference, instead of sitting at the computer all day discussing conspiracy issues, GET INVOLVED!!! It's difficult to respect a whiner, but I absoulutely admire any individual who is actually doing something no matter how small, irregardless of an opposing viewpoint, ESPECIALLY if it's an opposing viewpoint. That... is Pierre's definition of a democracy...
God Bless, Guy!

[NATHAN LLOYD]

Pierre...I believe the conspiracy about 9-11 for one reason. It doesn't make sense what they told us on the news. It's not any kind of prejudice against one party or another. BTW...I'm glad you like that our government for the corporations that kill the little guys. I guess you're a CEO of a big company or a doctor because they're the only ones making enough to not be effected by the oppression of the USD.

I'd like our goverment to do the following:

1) Quit spending all our tax dollars on causing problems overseas.

2) Build up our infrastructure; e.g., work on our electric grid--add nuclear reactors, work on electric railways.

3) Give grants for research in batteries for electric cars--ethanol is a diversion because we can't grow enough crops to supply even 10% of our fuel.

4) Encourage auto companies to make electric cars by tax incentives.

5) Tax oil companies that give billions to their CEO's instead of reinvesting in themsleves.

6) Give tax incentives to oil companies that invest in windmills and solar power.

7) Make it harder for those on welfare to get free giveouts from our taxes.

I could care less which party was in office if they'd spend our tax dollars on helping the US.

[Pierre]

Pierre...I believe the conspiracy about 9-11 for one reason. It doesn't make sense what they told us on the news. It's not any kind of prejudice against one party or another. BTW...I'm glad you like that our government for the corporations that kill the little guys. I guess you're a CEO of a big company or a doctor because they're the only ones making enough to not be effected by the oppression of the USD.

I'd like our goverment to do the following:

1) Quit spending all our tax dollars on causing problems overseas.

2) Build up our infrastructure; e.g., work on our electric grid--add nuclear reactors, work on electric railways.

3) Give grants for research in batteries for electric cars--ethanol is a diversion because we can't grow enough crops to supply even 10% of our fuel.

4) Encourage auto companies to make electric cars by tax incentives.

5) Tax oil companies that give billions to their CEO's instead of reinvesting in themsleves.

6) Give tax incentives to oil companies that invest in windmills and solar power.

7) Make it harder for those on welfare to get free giveouts from our taxes.

I could care less which party was in office if they'd spend our tax dollars on helping the US.

Hey Dude... that's quite the list...

I absoulutely agree with everyone of those points... now all we have to do is find the party with a candidate that agrees and contribute and get involved and convince the majority of the country to vote for that candidate or ...............we might have to start a new party with our own candidates... what say you, Brother? any political inspirations? It seems... unless we are willing to do that , Pierre and Nathan Lloyd are going to have to settle for maybe half the list, maybe less... but hey, that's the definition of a democracy...See, we're getting it...
BTW... nice move on the Dow this week, I like making money in this free, democratic, capitalistic, society... don't you?