The Bloom coming off the rose?

[aiki14]

From the liberal media, Bloomberg News:

Palin's Ethics Scrapes May Undercut Pledge to End Old Politics
By Timothy J. Burger and Tony Hopfinger

Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate sent a signal that he would end business as usual and cronyism in government. Her record shows the Alaska governor engaged in some of the same practices she and McCain now condemn.

Palin's office approved a state job for a friend and campaign aide with whom she shared a land investment, financial records and interviews over the past two weeks show. She hired a former lobbyist for a pipeline company to help oversee a multibillion-dollar deal with that same company.

She named a police chief accused of harassment to head the state police. And she sent campaign e-mails on her city hall account while serving as mayor of Wasilla -- conduct for which she later turned in an oil commissioner on ethics charges.

These incidents raise ``some serious questions about her judgment and serious questions about her standards of ethics in public service,'' said James Thurber, director of American University's Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies in Washington. Suggesting a real estate investment partner for a job ``may be acceptable in Alaska; it would not be acceptable in Washington, D.C., a place whose norms she wants to change.''

Palin defeated an incumbent governor, a fellow Republican, in 2006 charging that her party's old guard had committed ethical lapses and become too cozy with special interests, including oil companies. A central theme in this year's presidential campaign has been that Palin's record demonstrates the change a McCain administration would bring to Washington.

Recent statements by the governor may erode that claim. In her acceptance speech last week, she suggested that she opposed the infamous ``Bridge to Nowhere,'' a $223 million earmark for a bridge to an island where only 53 people lived.

For It, Against It

When Palin, 44, campaigned for governor, however, she said she was in favor of the bridge. In 2007, she canceled the project in the face of national outrage. The state never returned the money allocated by the federal government, with some of the funds going toward other state and local projects.

And as mayor of Wasilla, a job she held for six years until 2002, Palin hired lobbyists to get federal funding for local projects. Wasilla secured $27 million in earmarks for the town of about 9,000 that included a rail project and a youth center.

Shortly after she was elected governor, Palin's office signed off on hiring Deborah Richter -- who attended college for a year then worked in bookkeeping and finance jobs -- as director of a division that distributes dividends to Alaskans from the state's oil-wealth savings account.

Richter, who said she's known Palin for 13 years, was Palin's gubernatorial campaign treasurer and ran her inaugural committee.

Sharing an Investment

The Richters and Palins also shared an investment: 30 acres of rural property near a lake in Petersville, Alaska, worth $47,300, according to Matanuska-Susitna Borough data.

``It sounds like a patronage deal for someone who ran your campaign; that's pretty normal,'' said Bill Buzenberg, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity in Washington. ``What's not normal is that they have business dealings together.''

No evidence has emerged to suggest that laws were broken in the appointment, and Richter said she ``didn't go in there with any promises from the governor or the chief of staff or anybody. I turned in my resume'' to the governor's transition team ``and I didn't know if anyone was going to call me.''

``She was qualified,'' said Pat Galvin, commissioner of the Department of Revenue and Richter's boss. Galvin said he also interviewed other people for the job and that Richter has done well. He said Palin's office approved his selection of Richter.

Not Palin's Decision

Palin's gubernatorial spokesman, William McAllister, said the decision to hire Richter was Galvin's. ``I have no knowledge of land ownership or college degrees,'' he said.

Deborah Richter gave up her share of the property last September in a divorce settlement that followed an affair with Palin's legislative director, John Bitney. Bitney and Richter both acknowledged the affair in interviews. Bitney said Palin fired him over it; Richter is still on the job. They are now married.

Last month, Palin signed a law granting TransCanada Corp., Canada's largest pipeline company, an exclusive state license and up to $500 million in subsidies to proceed with work on a $27 billion pipeline, which would carry natural gas from Alaska to other U.S. markets.

Once a Lobbyist

Marty Rutherford, the chief coordinator behind Palin's pipeline effort, once worked as an Alaska lobbyist for a TransCanada pipeline subsidiary, according to state records. Rutherford, deputy commissioner at the Alaska Department of Natural Resources, earned $40,200 as a lobbyist for 10 months in 2003 working for Foothills, the subsidiary.

Rutherford said in an interview that she only did consulting work for the company, including reviewing natural gas legislation. She said the work had no bearing on her future job as coordinator of Palin's pipeline team.

``I intended to leave state government when I went to Jade North, but as time went on I realized my heart was in government,'' she said, referring to the firm she briefly worked for.

Palin told the Anchorage Daily News last December that Rutherford's work with Foothills wasn't a conflict because it had been five years earlier.

Trooper Investigation

The governor already has triggered an investigation by the Alaska legislature into whether she fired the state commissioner of public safety, Walt Monegan, for not removing a state trooper involved in a contentious divorce from Palin's sister.

Palin has denied exerting any pressure on Monegan and said she dismissed him because she wanted to take the department in a new direction.

Since McCain picked Palin, seven Palin aides have declined to be interviewed on the matter by an investigator hired by the Alaska legislature, according to the House and Senate Judiciary committees.

Earlier this year, Palin found herself apologizing for her handling of Monegan's replacement. About six weeks before she learned McCain wanted her to be his vice president, she named Kenai, Alaska, police chief Charles Kopp to replace Monegan.

On July 25, two weeks after being appointed, Kopp resigned amid scrutiny over a 2005 sexual-harassment complaint against him while he was chief in Kenai. The complaint resulted in a letter of reprimand from the city, which Palin told reporters she never knew about and had believed that the allegations were unsubstantiated, according to the Anchorage Daily News.

Not a Harasser

In a July press conference, Kopp denied any harassment. ``I've always done every job I've ever done with honor and integrity,'' he said. ``There is one thing I am not. I am not a sex harasser.'' Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.

Asked about these episodes in Palin's career, McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds lauded her reform efforts. Bounds said Palin has allowed the public to scrutinize state financial information, ``cut wasteful spending by a quarter of a billion dollars just last year and ushered in landmark ethics legislation.''

The moment that crystallized her image as a reformer came when she turned in state Republican chairman Randy Ruedrich after discovering he was using his state e-mail account to conduct party business.

Palin and Ruedrich were serving together as commissioners on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, a state regulatory agency, at the time. Ruedrich resigned from the commission in November 2003, and was later fined $12,000, according to a 2004 article in the Anchorage Daily News.

In 2006, Palin found herself asking forgiveness for a similar offense from her past, according to a July 28, 2006, article in the Anchorage Daily News. She had sent campaign e- mails from her Wasilla mayor's office in 2002, when she made an unsuccessful run for lieutenant governor.

``For any mistakes like that (were) made, I apologize,'' Palin said of the e-mail controversy in July 2006, according to the Anchorage Daily News.

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[freakscene]

i hope you dont mind if i post this here, since there isnt any other topic related to VP picks and it sort of goes along with the theme of the bloom and rose. :)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/biden-hillary-a.html

it appears as if biden and obama might be setting up for an excuse as to why biden should drop out of the race.

speculation, yes, but this is a really weird thing to say at this stage of the game

hillary an october surprise ?

from yesterday

"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, she’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America, and quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate, I mean that sincerely, she’s first rate, so let’s get that straight."

[Rich]

Certainly interesting for sure. Obama sends 30 lawyers to dig up dirt then comes out and says "THIS HAS GOT TO STOP!" Typical........

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/mccain-ad-the-wolves-are-out-against-palin/

I paste a letter I recieved yesterday that explains many of the things that are brought up against Palin. But one thing is left out, the Trooper was married to Palins sister, whom btw Sarah does not support politically due to Sarahs convictions on morality. But, this Trooper tazzered his 10 year old step son!!! He also was making murder threats against her father! ONCE AGAIN, she fought corruption, a crooked cop, and I wish other elected officials would start doing that locally here!

Here is the interesting letter.

Regarding Sarah Palin
And The Ms. Kilkenny Letter

My friends in Alaska have nothing but glowing reports on her.
She has an over 80+% approval rating as the Governor among
Democrats and Republicans - at one time 92% (Bush had 92%
approval after 911 - approvals do go bye bye if performance slips).

Ms.Kilkenny who wrote this - apparently is in the remaining minority.

It's amazing that this letter was published nationally so quickly after the Palin
announcement. It was in every major US newspaper - NY Times, San Francisco,
LA, Chicago, and so on.

How could this happen so quickly and to all they key media outlets.

She has been distributing this to all the major news outlets with
the help of the Democratic political machine and the internet.

Though, she has denied this and tried to play innocent.

It's interesting that Ms. Kilkenny is a staunch Democrat and claims
to have attended all the city council meetings when Palin was mayor.

She also led a protest march against Palin over the library issue (so much for the
sweet innocent objective person trying to get her message out - but not
to everyone - as she claimed in the Examiner of Cleveland - see below website).

She never has, nor ever will, like or support Sarah Pailin - period.

She's tied in with the "good ole boys" Palin got rid of who were
anti-gun, pro-choice democrats, pro-gay and their so called 'republican' buddies.

See...

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22Anne+Kilkenny%22&fr=slv1-fp&u=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Kilkenny&w=%22anne+kilkenny%22&d=Nru_R_ReRb_I&icp=1&.intl=us

Note: Ms. Kilkenny's article is being disputed for both factuality and neutrality
on this site.

Despite Ms. Kilkenny and her minority protests, Pailin was re-elected by a landslide
as mayor according to Time. See Time....

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

Also, Pailin's pro-life, pro-family and pro-gun views are hated by the liberal
democrats in Alaska (NY, LA, SanFran). They're not too happy about her
going to a church talking about Focus on the Family's programs to help
homosexuals and talking about gays 'overcoming homosexuality either.

It is interesting how Ms. Kilkenny sides with the liberal left, which refuses to
even let children in the public schools look at the arguments for intelligent
design ('creationism'), when so much of the scholarly literature today
is debunking Darwinism (even written by non-christians).

It's amazing that Ms. Kilkenny will protest about 'library censorship and then turn
around and censor any attempt at balanced instruction on origins in the
classroom. Sounds like NEA politics and thought control.

When Palin ran for governor it was to clean house and won on that platform.
She did clean house and made enemies. Big time.

Politics are tough and sometimes dirty. Palin's record shows
she can and will play in the dirt with the boys and win.
She has political savvy.

The big three TV media has over 30 full time people digging through the records in
Alaska. We'll see what they find. Unfortunately, few are digging for stories in
Chicago and Delaware for the big three networks. Why?

I find it interesting Ms. Kilkenny full email address is missing.
Her website is not out there, but the first site (above) and Time's CNN site
provided will give you plenty to look at.

The whole Palin matter is nothing more than party politics
as always - when compared to the Obama and William Ayers connection.

You might remember that Mr. Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground
which attacked the Pentagon, the Capitol and other public buildings when Obama
was a youngster.

As an adult Obama admired Mr. Ayers, so much so that at
Ayers’ house Obama’s state Senate candidacy was launched in 1995;

Ayers was quoted in The New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001, as saying,
“I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough.” Despite this
revelation by the non-repentant William Ayers in the NYT, Obama continued
to serve on Ayers nonprofit board even after the NY Times article appeared.

Willaim Ayers Standing on the American Flag in a
Chicago Alley
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You think you would distance yourself from Ayers, Rev. Wright and others
of the radical left, but Obama didn't. Why would you hang out with a known individual
who thinks his terrorist actions were justified and is not afraid to tell the NY Times!

Last time I looked in the law books - setting bombs which destroy property and
and kill people are a crime! People who do and support this type of action
are criminals. Standing on the American flag in an alley also is not 'mainstream'
American either. Show this to our veterans and soldiers in the field.

Ayers should have done this stunt in front of Marines deploying in Quantico
rather than a back alley in Chicago - where rats hang out!

Who's really dangerous - Focus on the Family or William Ayers group?

Bottomline - It's the action and belief of the radical left we are not
seeing or hearing about on network news.

This is of greater importance than a librarian in an understandable
dispute between competing political parties, and world and life views.

Who the real Obama and McCain are, who could be president, is
of greater importance.

As Senator Obama said in his acceptance speech, he does not want to
talk about experience with Senator John McCain, but judgment.

Judgment is what's important. Ok, let's talk judgment.



Gary

[BuyOnDips]

I doubt if Hillary would accept the VP nomination now. She wants to be President. She'll run again in 2012. The Clintons never liked Obama and never thought he could win. Plus the Obama camp played the race card on Bill during the primaries.

Obama picking Biden over Hillary for his VP will go down in history as the stupidest campaign strategy decision ever made. Instead of a "dream ticket" he's made a nightmare ticket. Hillary got more votes than Obama in the primaries. Hillary was also very strong in the states that the Democrats have to win to get elected. The smart thing to do was to unite the party and pick Hillary. Instead, he not only doesn't choose her, but he doesn't even bother to vet her. That had to piss of millions of the Clinton supporters. So Obama makes a terrible decision and picks Biden, the guy that says he's not ready to be president.

[freakscene]

I agree it was a blunder of gigantic proportions, but if Biden "suddenly" comes down with a "condition", they can appeal to her to come to their rescue.

why else say something like that ?

[BuyOnDips]

I believe Hillary thinks Obama is on a sinking ship and would rather wait 4 years to get the prize she wants.

[freakscene]

that will be a fun match up.

cat fight ! ;)


ABC plans prime-time Palin special

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080911/D934625O4.html

The prime-time special, at 10 p.m. EDT, will also include a bio of Palin by ABC's Kate Snow and a round-table discussion on the presidential race moderated by George Stephanopoulos.

The Alaska Republican has proven to be a ratings-grabber during her short time on the national political scene. Her speech to the GOP national convention last week was seen by more than 40 million people, according to Nielsen Media Research.

A Fox News Channel documentary, "Governor Palin: An American Woman" last Saturday was the highest-rated prime-time documentary in the network's history, with 2.7 million viewers.

CNN is also planning a Palin special this weekend.

[skeet2008]

Palin is the weirdest VP pick since Quayle. More disturbing is how the Republicans have thrown their unconditional support behind her even though they, like the rest of us, dont know who the frick she is. But they dont care - why is that important?

This is messed up! 90% of us support out political parties like we support our football teams. Blind allegiance. Then we waste time filtering the news to back up our convictions. I get five e-mails a day from the faithful with lists of 'serious research'.

The VP is VERY important. This person could be the president! P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T! Hockey Mom? What kind of dumba** rednecks do they take us for! Seriously

[BuyOnDips]

The puppet is exactly how the Palin critics are coming across.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpHBPQyoYXQ&eurl=http://www.sitemason.com/newspub/fQKJvW?id=59104

This is pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc

[Riddicks]

I assume the guy moving the puppets is you? and the other Freakscene? hahaha.

[Rich]

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[Riddicks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk

This is what common sense sounds like.

[Jelly]

This is what common sense sounds like.

Great vid/message.

[Jelly]

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Excellent sentiment........I agree totally

[Riddicks]

Excellent sentiment........I agree totally

Agreed...

[bigzip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk

This is what common sense sounds like.

You mean dinosaurs and humans didn't coexist? That's not what my burning bush told me...:confused2:

[freakscene]

This is what common sense sounds like.

another idiot spreading misinformation is common sense to you?

[Riddicks]

Where is the misinformation in here Freak? Do you actually believe that Sarah Palin is the right pick for VP? If you in all honestly believe that then you are worse off than I thought.

And if you honestly say yes, I will stop posting stuff on Palin and won't write anything back, because I feel like I would be talking to a wall. And I don't have time for that.

[freakscene]

thats all it takes?

yes.

especially considering how she's changed the dynamic, and made the left absolutely lose control.

there could not have been a better pick.

see ya

:)

[BuyOnDips]

Matt Damon got duped like so many other people on the internet. It's easy to fool people when they want to believe what they read, instead of thinking clearly. It almost makes you want to start sending out those Nigerian money scam emails. There are suckers everywhere.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/11/matt-damon-suckered-by-nutroots-smear-of-palin/

http://patterico.com/2008/09/11/maureen-dowd-and-matt-damon-both-fall-for-viral-e-mail-smear-of-palin/

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/273243.php

The continuous smears on Palin are just making her more popular. People can no longer trust the NY Times or the Washington Post. Crying wolf over and over just kills the messenger.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/548bfqty.asp?pg=1

[Riddicks]

thats all it takes?

yes.

especially considering how she's changed the dynamic, and made the left absolutely lose control.

there could not have been a better pick.

see ya

:)

This is pathetic, you couldn't even tell me "yes I absolutely believe she is the best for this country."

All you told me was political crap about how she has made the left lose control. Dude, it isn't that hard to see through you guys man, haha. So I will ask you again if you believe as an American, this is the best your country can offer as a VP? And do you believe it to be the best course for this country to pick her?

This is not a hard question, don't think too much, I wouldn't want you to get confused. Just read it slowly.

[Riddicks]

By the way I hope you guys were able to catch Palin's interview on abc, any views? haha.

Please ask her what the Bush doctrine is, or what would she do if Israel attacked Iran with nuclear force. This lady has nooooo clue. haha It wasn't even that she couldn't answer the question when asked 3 times, it was the fact that she didn't even know what the Bush doctrine was.

This is gonna be too easy, thank god for that interview, maybe people who were just going with the party will now see what's best for the country.

Any opinions on the interview?

[aiki14]

David Gergen on CNN just described Palin's answers to Charlie Gibson on economics as "incoherent".
That's no NY Times, or Huffington post. That's David Gergen, advisor to Nixon, Ford and Reagan.

She's a lightweight and there is only so much smoke the right can throw up before everyone sees it.

[BuyOnDips]

David Gergen on CNN just described Palin's answers to Charlie Gibson on economics as "incoherent".
That's no NY Times, or Huffington post. That's David Gergen, advisor to Nixon, Ford and Reagan.

She's a lightweight and there is only so much smoke the right can throw up before everyone sees it.

Gergen is not a Republican. When he was a Republican he was a RINO(Republican in name only) He also worked for the Clinton administraton which Aiki intentionally omitted. :) He also went to Harvard law school. Just like Obama. And taught there.(another elitist snob). Plus he's a popular guest on PBS, CNN and MSNBC. They love that liberal analyst. :)

The Gallup poll is not looking too good for Democrats right now in Congress. There actually might be McCain coattails this fall.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Battle-Congress-Suddenly-Looks-Competitive.aspx

Hey Aiki, Did Gergen have any comments on Biden asking the paraplegic to stand up? :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2mzbuRgnI4

[aiki14]

Gergen is not a Republican. When he was a Republican he was a RINO(Republican in name only) He also worked for the Clinton administraton which Aiki intentionally omitted. :) He also went to Harvard law school. Just like Obama. And taught there.(another elitist snob). Plus he's a popular guest on PBS, CNN and MSNBC. They love that liberal analyst. :)



True I omitted the Clinton intentionally and the fact that he was on the GHW Bush campaign team. Calling him a liberal analyst is laughable, as is your blowing past the comments by Palin and attacking Biden.
The tactic is wearing thin, the change label is a joke when this type of politics is all you've got, and she's a lightweight.
Sorry you aren't capable of defending her statements, but I understand, it's hard when you're so busy attacking the others to listen to your own, so you probably haven't heard them. But as a right winger the actual abilities of your candidates are meaningless as long as they spout the party line. Unfortunately she seems a bit overwhelmed, and under coached. Hope Karl Rove is around in the event Mr.McCain needs some time off, otherwise she better know where Mr. Cheney's undisclosed locations are.

[concrete]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/Gov-Palin-2006_web.jpg

Dan Quayle with lipstick?

[Riddicks]

Some of the glowing reviews of her interview?


The Washington Post's Glenn Kessler (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/11/palin_endorses_idea_mccain_cal.html) picked up on Palin's apparent backing of Obama's assertion that the United States could attack targets in Pakistan without the country's permission. The Post said that was a position "her running mate Sen. John McCain has called 'naïve.'"



The New York Times (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/palin-interview-she-didnt-blink-when-asked-to-run/?pagemode=print) said Palin appeared to be like an "eager student, someone who has crammed for an exam and was repeating talking points."


Republican Rep. Zach Wamp of Tennessee offered a less-than-glowing review (http://www.politico.com/arena/bio/zach_wamp.htm) of Palin's performance today.



"Gov. Palin is confident, smart, disciplined and, while not yet totally prepared on the issues, she clearly is getting there," Wamp said. "The country likes her, so she will get a pass or two. If she holds up beyond that, she could be a transformative woman in American history. If not, we will all be disappointed."


According to the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palin12-2008sep12,0,5803961.story?track=rss), the Republican vice presidential nominee's interview "wasn't without stumbles," pointing to her answers on global warming.
"The Alaska governor reversed her stand on the cause of climate change, telling ABC News that she believes 'man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming.' Less than a year ago, she said the opposite," the Los Angeles Times said.



So she thinks the global warming isn't man made or anything like that...you know just some made up crap.


Haha, Dan quayle with a lipstick. More like Dick Cheney, actually when you put a gun in her hands it's a lot like Dick Cheney, along with all the personal favors and personal agenda.


But you know they say she will reform Washington, ask her to find Washington on the map. Seriously someone with her experience and record, shouldn't be in Washington, let alone Whitehouse. I am worried about this country, if ppl actually think she is the best Republicans could come up with. That is sad.

[Jelly]

Dan Quayle with lipstick?

With or without lipstick, that is one ugly beeatch. They should have her show a lot more cleavage, like all the other wimmins on Republican stages. Sex sells...........it's their only hope. Maybe free pussy for all males peeps who vote for them? There is no shortage of paper bags, as of yet.

[Jelly]

By Michael Seitzman in The Huffington Post

Title: Sarah Palin Naked

"She said "nucular." Twice.

I realized three things tonight. For one, if you are a McCain/Palin/Bush voter, you and I do not have a difference of opinion. We have a difference in brain power. Two, she really is as ignorant as I feared. And, three, she really is kinda hot. Basically, I want to have sex with her on my Barack Obama sheets while my wife reads aloud from the Constitution. (My wife is cool with this if I promise to "first wipe off Palin's tranny makeup." I married well.)

Now, I want to be clear and speak directly to those of you who LOVED that Palin interview. You're an idiot. I mean that. This is not one of those cases where we're going to agree to disagree. This isn't one of those situations where we debate it passionately and then walk away thinking that the other guy is wrong but argued well. I'm not going to think of you as a thoughtful but misguided person with different ideas who still really cares about the country and the world. No, sorry, not this time. This time, if you watched those interview excerpts and weren't scared out of your freakin' mind, then you're mentally ill, mentally disabled, or mentally disturbed. What you are NOT is responsible, informed, curious, thoughtful, mature, educated, empathetic, or remotely serious. I mean it.

But I like to think that anyone can change.

Stop voting for people you want to have a beer with. Stop voting for folksy. Stop voting for people who remind you of your neighbor. Stop voting for the ideologically intransigent, the staggeringly ignorant, and the blazingly incompetent.

Vote for someone smarter than you. Vote for someone who inspires you. Vote for someone who has not only traveled the world but who has also shown a deep understanding and compassion for it. The stakes are real and they're terrifyingly high. This election matters. It matters. It really matters. Let me say that one more time. This. Really. Matters. "

I like that. BTW, this forum sucks if you want to argue politics. To get really deep, go to:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/pc-opinion/start

(need to register)

There are thousands of posts on both sides. To feel good, just read the ones from peeps who are like you.

[skeet2008]

I am starting to think Palin is a muppet controlled by Cheney.

Where are the dynamics, where is the change, where is the originality? Same old 1950's republicanism.

If you want a return to the cold war then McCain/Palin is your team. And what for....that ahole in Georgia? By the way rednecks, not the state next to 'Bama.

[skeet2008]

By Michael Seitzman in The Huffington Post

This time, if you watched those interview excerpts and weren't scared out of your freakin' mind, then you're mentally ill, mentally disabled, or mentally disturbed.

I could not agree more, my gelatinous friend. McCain has done the nation a huge disservice by nominating this intellectual lightweight. "As Americans we deserve better than that".

All we want in a president is a level-headed person that knows the difference between right and wrong. SP is the right wing version of Hugo Chavez.

[BuyOnDips]

What's funny is she's still more qualified to be President than Obama. And Obama is the one running for the top job.

You guys are suffering from PDS. Palin Derangement Syndrome.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1118511

[Jelly]

You guys are suffering from PDS. Palin Derangement Syndrome.



Giggling while watching her is not exactly suffering. I eat cookies at the same time.

[Jelly]

3669

Typical reaction to watching Sarah.........not even SNL, her real self.

*Thanks, Kev!

[freakscene]

I could not agree more, my gelatinous friend. McCain has done the nation a huge disservice by nominating this intellectual lightweight. "As Americans we deserve better than that".

All we want in a president is a level-headed person that knows the difference between right and wrong. SP is the right wing version of Hugo Chavez.

what ?

If any candidate on either side is an American version of Hugo Chavez, its not even a close race.

I believe Investors Business Daily and the Wall Street Journal have both published several columns comparing Obama's policies to Chavez in a rather compelling way.

I recommend you read them.

as for "level headed, right wrong crap"..................how about his own inability to know right from wrong with....... Ayers, Dornan, Wright, Rezko.....

not exactly a good judge of character in his incredibly short career.

[aiki14]

McCain is a proponent of the space program, and a return of manned moon missions, a position I like, and as it turns out Ms. Palin has a good grasp of the moon missions because you can see the moon from her house in Alaska. :biggrin:

[Riddicks]

Oh by the way, Alaskans held a rally this week, to protest against Palin. You know how many ppl showed up? Close to 1,500 people in Anchorage showed up....if you didn't know that's alot of people down there. Love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_4GfAsKvGU&feature=related

Some of the signs
"Bristol got to choose, why don't we?"

"Bush in a Skirt"

"Vote Issues not Gender"

"Pitbulls make poor Diplomats"

"Hockey Mom for Obama"

There were many more, but I'd rather just give you the link and let you watch the rally pics and video yourself. Really 1,500 people, that is awesome...and only about 10 ppl showed up to support her.

hahaha, 80% approval rating huh?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/14/103042/902/965/597033

[freakscene]

Oh by the way, Alaskans held a rally this week, to protest against Palin. You know how many ppl showed up? Close to 1,500 people in Anchorage showed up....if you didn't know that's alot of people down there. Love it.



depends on what source you read

USA Today reported "hundreds"

i wonder how many were flown in and not even natives of the State?

and its nice to see you, much like Barry Obama, are a man of your word.

I thought you werent going to post any more?

typical democrat. words are meaningless

:biggrin:

[BuyOnDips]

Hey Aiki, I know you've traveled a lot. Have you been to all 57 states that Obama has visited? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY

[Riddicks]

depends on what source you read

USA Today reported "hundreds"

i wonder how many were flown in and not even natives of the State?

and its nice to see you, much like Barry Obama, are a man of your word.

I thought you werent going to post any more?

typical democrat. words are meaningless

:biggrin:

Haha, I thought you'd bring that up. But I asked you to tell me if Sarah was the best person for the VP job and you couldn't tell me that. And yes I am, thanks for that compliment brother.

[aiki14]

Hey Aiki, I know you've traveled a lot. Have you been to all 57 states that Obama has visited? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY

Two things I got from this video, one is There is something funny going on with the editing cause I am sure Mr. Obama is aware that 5 of the places he's visited are territories, and DC is a something else (what is it actually and why isn't it a state at this point, could be the population is the wrong color for statehood?), and the second is Miss South Carolina is a pro-life republican.

As for me, I have been in all of the lower 48, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, The US Virgin Islands, and The Mariana's. I want to go to Samoa because I hear they have Aloha Shirts in my size, and I hear there is good diving in Guam, especially the wrecks.

[Riddicks]

So she isn't going to be speaking in the Trooper Gate scandal anymore? Doesn't that say that yea I know something I did is wrong but I am gonna cry foul and just not answer to you anymore.

Also Plain supporters are crying foul over a SNL skit? They are calling it sexist. Really? That was damn funny though.

Here it is...just a snippet, you can check out the whole video on

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/palin-hillary-open/656281/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ral-zByaSU4&feature=related

[Riddicks]

Sarah Plain, Plain, Plain, looks like she is trying too hard to play with the big boys. Thanks but no thanks. ahaha.

FactCheck.org: McCain Energy Claim "Not true. Not even close." Palin says Alaska supplies 20 percent of U.S. energy. Not true. Not even close. "Palin claims Alaska 'produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy.' That's not true.... It's simply untrue that Alaska produces anything close to 20 percent of the U.S. 'energy supply,' a term that is generally defined as energy consumed. That category includes power produced in the U.S. by nuclear, coal, hydroelectric dams and other means -- as well as all the oil imported into the country. ...Sen. John McCain has also has used this inflated, incorrect figure. On Sept. 3, McCain told ABC News' Gibson: 'McCain: Well, I think Americans are going to be very, very, very pleased. This is a very dynamic person. [Palin's] been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply.' McCain repeated the false figure more recently, in a September 11 interview with Portland, Maine, news station WCSH6." [FactCheck.org, 9/12/08: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html]

[BuyOnDips]

I call it stupidity, but the liberal press likes to call it nuance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5R6kVry4_c&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4

[aiki14]

Err, aah, huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvHh55rq8hk&feature=related


Staight talk? lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFVatXy8Bhc&feature=related

[aiki14]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieuA7nAOBXQ

[BuyOnDips]

This is so funny. Obama can't go anywhere without his teleprompter now. I can't wait for the debates. He'll crash just like he did at the Saddleback Forum.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/15/obamas-teleprompter-hits-the-trail/

[Riddicks]

Yes it will be good to see what McCain can come up with. Lies I tell ya, Lies.

[Riddicks]

From Newsweek today: http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx

The polls reflected the early success of her strategy. In the three days after Palin joined Team McCain--Aug. 29-31--32 percent of voters told the pollsters at Diageo/Hotline that they had a favorable opinion of her; most (48 percent) didn't know enough to say. By Sept. 4, however, 43 percent of Diageo/Hotline respondents approved of Palin with only 25 percent disapproving--an 18-point split. Apparently, voters were liking what they were hearing. Four days later, Palin's approval rating had climbed to 47 percent (+17), and by Sept. 13 it had hit 52 percent. The gap at that point between her favorable and unfavorable numbers--22 percent--was larger than either McCain's (+20) or Obama's (+13).

But then a funny thing happened: Palin lost some of her luster. Since Sept. 13, Palin's unfavorables have climbed from 30 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, her favorables have slipped from 52 percent to 48 percent. That's a three-day net swing of -10 points, and it leaves her in the Sept. 15 Diageo/Hotline tracking poll tied for the smallest favorability split (+12) of any of the Final Four. Over the course of a single weekend, in other words, Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least.

What happened? I'd argue that Palin's considerable novelty is starting to wear off. In part it's the result of a steady stream of unhelpful stories: her unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine during last Thursday's interview with Charles Gibson (video above); her refusal to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation; her repeated stretching of the truth on everything from earmarks to the Bridge to Nowhere to the amount of energy her state produces. That stuff has a way of inspiring disapproval and eroding one's support. (Interestingly, Palin's preparedness numbers--about 50 percent yes, 45 percent no--haven't budged.) But mostly it's the start of an inevitable process. Between now and Nov. 4, voters will stop seeing Palin as a fascinating story and starting taking her measure as an actual candidate for office. Some will approve; some won't. It remains to be seen whether Palin's recent slide will continue, or hurt John McCain in the polls. But it's hard to argue that the journey from intriguing new superstar to earthbound politician--a necessary part of the process--doesn't involve a loss of altitude.

[skeet2008]

This is so funny. Obama can't go anywhere without his teleprompter now. I can't wait for the debates. He'll crash just like he did at the Saddleback Forum.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/15/obamas-teleprompter-hits-the-trail/

Yeah, the debates will be interesting. Although I like Obama's stuff I am not sure he can think on his feet. He wants to analyse things - might make a good trader. McCain may not be much better though, he's a stumbler. What will be really interesting is the VP debates. Sorry you Palin freaks but shes a ditzy schoolgirl compared to Biden.

[Riddicks]

This story is from CNN:


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/18/hagel-palin-experience-a-%E2%80%98stretch%E2%80%99/#more-19207


(CNN) – Sen. Chuck Hagel has become one of the most prominent Republicans to openly question VP nominee Sarah Palin’s qualifications on Thursday.
"She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview with the Omaha World Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything."
On her first overseas trip last year, Palin traveled to Kuwait and Germany to visit Alaskan National Guard troops.
In defending her own foreign policy experience, Palin has said that Alaska’s proximity to Russia gives her international expertise. Hagel, a senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called that notion “insulting to the American people.”

"I do think in a world that is so complicated, so interconnected and so combustible, you really got to have some people in charge that have some sense of the bigger scope of the world," he added. "I think that's just a requirement."
Hagel, who broke with fellow Republicans over the Iraq war, has said he will not endorse either major party candidate. The Nebraska senator has said he would have considered being Obama’s running mate and was rumored to be on his VP short list.
Although Hagel is a longtime friend of GOP presidential nominee John McCain, he traveled to the Middle East with Obama in July. Hagel also came to Obama’s defense in May after the Democratic nominee and McCain had a dispute over the best way to deal with Iran.
Hagel, whose Senate term is drawing to a close, is not running for re-election to the Senate.




This is crazy, her own party is coming out and agreeing to what we have been saying all along. Come on guys, do you see it now for what it is, her approval rating is dropping faster than any smart comment I could make here.

[concrete]

Parker is a conservative columnist who was a vocal supporter of Palin until the recent round of interviews was completed. She is now just as convinced as many of Americans that Palin is just way out of her league. Time to bow out. Another example of John McCain's judgment and sincerity at putting "country first."


"Conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, admitting that until recently she was a vocal supporter of Sarah Palin, now says the vice presidential nominee should bow out:

Some of the passionately feminist critics of Palin who attacked her personally deserved some of the backlash they received. But circumstances have changed since Palin was introduced as just a hockey mom with lipstick -- what a difference a financial crisis makes -- and a more complicated picture has emerged.


As we've seen and heard more from John McCain's running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn't know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion.

Parker says her turnaround came from watching Palin in interview. Like other critics, she wasn't impressed:

Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.


No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I've been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I've also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there's not much content there. "

Follow the link for the rest of the article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/kathleen-parker-after-int_n_129535.html

[aiki14]

Far be it for me to defend Ms. Palin but I believe she does have significant international experience. From the governors residence you can see an IHOP. Belgian waffles, french toast, and canadian bacon. That's international.

Anybody see the video of the witch hunter, blessing her for the campaign for governor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE&feature=related

I was raised Roman Catholic til I found Darwin and the truth, but even in that wacky world we didn't have anything this nutty.

I guess Mr. McCain is ok with this since he picked her for the second highest job in the land. Reason enough to vote for Obama? Maybe not, but reason to vote for anybody but McCain? Yes actually.

[freakscene]

I was raised Roman Catholic til I found Darwin and the truth, but even in that wacky world we didn't have anything this nutty.
.

you mean until you decided to put your faith in something science has yet to prove, ie humans descending from apes, which descended from something, and so on......

believing man came from a single cell, which eventually evolved into fish, which eventually walked etc ... is damn close to wacky - especially since science has yet to prove it.

:top:

i'll remain in the objective column of "I dont know"

:)

[concrete]

It is all about scientific method: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

...and god of the gaps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps.

[freakscene]

It is all about scientific method: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

...and god of the gaps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps.

thanks.

i understand scientific method perfectly

its those who believe Darwin's theory as gospel who need educated on the definition.

until then proven, Darwinists require the same faith as does......Scientologists, Catholics, and Wiccans in order to believe it.

:)

and yet again for the record, i remain in the objective category of 'i dont know'

[aiki14]

you mean until you decided to put your faith in something science has yet to prove, ie humans descending from apes, which descended from something, and so on......

believing man came from a single cell, which eventually evolved into fish, which eventually walked etc ... is damn close to wacky - especially since science has yet to prove it.

:top:

i'll remain in the objective column of "I dont know"

:)

I put my faith in science, not some mythology that happens to be popular at the moment. Darwins theory of Evolution by Natural Selection has about the same weight of evidence as Einsteins theory of Gravity, but I guess I can't prove it's not the invisible hand of the invisible man in the sky holding us to the ground. But to give the two positions equal weight is insanity, and a desperate attempt by the religious to hold onto the beliefs that comfort them and aid in subjecting the rabble.

I have no doubt that you will always remain in the column of "I don't know".

And punctuating your little jabs with smileys or the finger is sort of adolescent. But if it's all you've got...

[freakscene]

I put my faith in science, not some mythology that happens to be popular at the moment. Darwins theory of Evolution by Natural Selection has about the same weight of evidence as Einsteins theory of Gravity, but I guess I can't prove it's not the invisible hand of the invisible man in the sky holding us to the ground. But to give the two positions equal weight is insanity, and a desperate attempt by the religious to hold onto the beliefs that comfort them and aid in subjecting the rabble.

I have no doubt that you will always remain in the column of "I don't know".

And punctuating your little jabs with smileys or the finger is sort of adolescent. But if it's all you've got...


awe. sorry aiki. i know how you must hate to hear that your "scientific pedestal" requires the very faith that you so love to condemn

its not the first time today youve been hypocritical

:) <<< theirry should remove those things. aiki doesnt like them.

[concrete]

This can't last. The McCain version of McGovern's Eagleton event...which I thought was the last time anyone had to learn selecting a VP was a serious affair. But, like the Vietnam quagmire, such lessons seem to have too short a half life among politicians.

Check this out:

Radio talk show host Ed Schultz reports:

Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."

He totally blew it not picking Bobby Jindal, the LA governor. Jindal is, IMO, the most skillful Republican executive on the scene. He is doing a great job dealing with hurricane damage in LA on the state level. I can just imagine it - Jindal being showcased in a hurricane recovery that is going well, a young minority guy who is actually running things - a populous state, a diverse electorate, slapping ole Katy Coric around gently, joshing it up with Letterman, while McCain does his Washington jaunt, McCain seen as the dude who gave the "colored guy" a chance and did the responsible thing for his country by picking someone who could actually run it if he passed away- hell, he'd be walking all over Obama right now. Instead he's got some pinhead who is too stupid to trust to go on TV with another clown. If she had been the female version of Jindal, this would have worked - instead, she's just another yellow-ribbon waving ******** looking for an abortion clinic to "witness".

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/2crk27m.jpg.

[freakscene]

sorry i glossed over this the first time.

Darwins theory of Evolution by Natural Selection has about the same weight of evidence as Einsteins theory of Gravity,

perhaps you might want to consult jelly's google for who is responsible for the Theory of Gravity, that is unless you get your science from some mythology book.

unless you were referring to his experiment Gravity Probe B, but i have doubts you really even know what you base your beliefs in.

:top:

[aiki14]

awe. sorry aiki. i know how you must hate to hear that your "scientific pedestal" requires the very faith that you so love to condemn

its not the first time today ive called you a hypocrite with good reason.

:)

You can call me whatever you want, but you seem not to comprehend the meaning of what you accuse me of.
I weigh the evidence and make a decision on how to interpret it. If evidence comes up that counters my position I add it to my calculations and re-interpret.
Faith is belief without evidence, or belief in the unprovable, I rail against that, especially when your ilk attempts to make policy based on that faith.

Your kind likes to say the science requires the same kind of faith I decry, but it is different, and sadly you can't see it because it shakes your pillars.

[freakscene]

especially when your ilk attempts to make policy based on that faith. .

sort of like global warming and kyoto ?

is that hypocrisy for the 3rd time today?

[Humbleone]

I weigh the evidence and make a decision on how to interpret it. If evidence comes up that counters my position I add it to my calculations and re-interpret.
Faith is belief without evidence, or belief in the unprovable, I rail against that, especially when your ilk attempts to make policy based on that faith.



Faith is the very substance utilized to prove not only God's existence but His character, attributes, and the very words(from the bible) that He says about himself. Faith is an action, it is walked out. It is met with not just an equal and opposite reaction, but with a superior and transcendent reaction that goes beyond the person who walked out their faith. Read Hebrews, chapter 12, in the New Testament. It is commonly referred as the "Hall of faith. If You viewed the historical path of Christianity/Judaism as an experiment to prove God's existence, you would find the results to be positive. The lives and deaths of many men and women who walked before us, by their faith were met with the faithfullness of God

[Jelly]

its those who believe Darwin's theory as gospel who need educated on the definition.


Hey bro! I did some genealogy and it turns out we divided from the same amoeba back in the day.

I'm terribly sorry about you not getting some important DNA like what I got, but that's life, hehehe (oh, did I make a funny?)

.........................6 degrees and all

[XOM]

Politics and religion, one things for certain; arguments follow anywhere either is present.

[concrete]

Speaking of roses, how about Jill (Boots) Biden?

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/jillbiden.jpg

[Humbleone]

Crucified, laid behhind a stone

You lived to die, rejected and alone

Like a rose trampled on the ground

You took the fall and thought of me

Above all


From song titled "Above all" played by Michael W. Smith

Now there is a rose that has bloomed again!

[Yankee Fan]

sorry i glossed over this the first time.



perhaps you might want to consult jelly's google for who is responsible for the Theory of Gravity, that is unless you get your science from some mythology book.

unless you were referring to his experiment Gravity Probe B, but i have doubts you really even know what you base your beliefs in.

:top:
:stupid:
And you may want to google "General Theory of Relativity" which is Einsteins Theory of gravity, which supplants Newtons, to which I assume you were referring. Seems Aiki14 is a few hundred years ahead of you on this one.

I'll get you started:
General relativity or the general theory of relativity is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1916. It is the state-of-the art description of gravity in modern physics. It unifies special relativity and Newton's law of universal gravitation, and describes gravity as a property of the geometry of space and time, or spacetime. In particular, the curvature of spacetime is directly related to the four-momentum (mass-energy and linear momentum) of whatever matter and radiation are present. The relation is specified by the Einstein field equations, a system of partial differential equations.


You don't strike me as the kind to admit mistakes, so I imagine it'll be entertaining to see how you wiggle out of this. You could shock the world and admit Aiki14 was right and you were wrong. Or maybe Albert Einstein was some liberal Jew who's theories don't count in your world. :boxing:
:biggrin:

I don't care what aiki says, I like these things. :goodnight:

[aiki14]

Hey Freak, I notice you didn't respond in ten seconds to the above post, interesting when you stick your foot in it how you crawl back under your rock.
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[aiki14]

Have you seen Sarah Palin 's post debate commentary? I guess they're too scared to let her comment, or even be seen.
Mr. McCain says he can find Osama Bin Laden, but can he find Sarah? She makes fewer appearances than Bin Laden, and she's harder to find than Amelia Earheart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v59mXowK2t8

[freakscene]

:You could shock the world and admit Aiki14 was right and you were wrong.

i will admit aiki was right.

i am also starting to believe he really does have monkey blood in his family.

:biggrin:

i dont think this matters anymore, since it appears barring any clinton october surprise, obama should coast to 300+ ec votes,

but.....

http://www.drudgereport.com/

[aiki14]

I think I'll go back to discussing politics since really it can't be separated from economics at this point anyway.
Plus when ol' freaky has to quote me in his signature and attempt an insult in the body of his post, I must be getting to him.
hail, no hat, long walk, Einstein, or should I say Washoe, we all know who's breath reeks of banana's.

Every time this guy puts forth his scared rat opinions, or his paranoid rants, it turns another undecided to Obama. I may not be able to change anybodies mind, but the sky is falling, anachronistic, McCarthyism, is terrific for the purpose.

[Yankee Fan]

i will admit aiki was right.

i am also starting to believe he really does have monkey blood in his family.

:biggrin:

i dont think this matters anymore, since it appears barring any clinton october surprise, obama should coast to 300+ ec votes,

but.....

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Ok. I guess you think you're witty, but you come across as one of those guys on 42nd street with the bullhorns, pestering passersby.

[netwrangler]

Ok. I guess you think you're witty, but you come across as one of those guys on 42nd street with the bullhorns, pestering passersby.
Exquisite!

[Jelly]

I can't wait for the VP debate. I'm gonna cover my eyes (with space between fingers). It will be bloody. I hope I don't get wood.

[freakscene]

I think I'll go back to discussing politics since really it can't be separated from economics at this point anyway.
.

newsflash for you aiki, you werent even capable of going a couple hours, so this post is extremely hollow considering the date.

hell, you violated your own words in the very same thread !

nothing short of entertaining

:)

[freakscene]

Plus when ol' freaky has to quote me in his signature and attempt an insult in the body of his post, I must be getting to him.
.

hysterical - and hypocritical at the same time !

imitation is the highest form of flattery aiki

nice to see you added a quote of mine to yours (i'm sure i'm not "getting to you" though)

:top:

[Horsefish]

hysterical - and hypocritical at the same time !

imitation is the highest form of flattery aiki

nice to see you added a quote of mine to yours (i'm sure i'm not "getting to you" though)

:top:


Not trying to be confrontational, but do you throw these kinds of comments out just to get a negative reaction? Are you writing a book on reactions to negative comments?

I'm just confused, someone with your obvious education, intelligence, eloquence, and historical knowledge must be able to conduct discussions without the incredible negative attacks and innuendo displayed in your posts.

You could take a page out of NET's book and be reasonable and show some understanding for other poster's thinking without immediately attacking their character. This is discussion, not war.

[freakscene]

Not trying to be confrontational, but do you throw these kinds of comments out just to get a negative reaction? Are you writing a book on reactions to negative comments?

I'm just confused, someone with your obvious education, intelligence, eloquence, and historical knowledge must be able to conduct discussions without the incredible negative attacks and innuendo displayed in your posts.

You could take a page out of NET's book and be reasonable and show some understanding for other poster's thinking without immediately attacking their character. This is discussion, not war.


why wasnt this directed at aiki as well?

just curious

of the two of us, one appears to have a history of this behavior over time (and it isnt me) ;)

[Horsefish]

why wasnt this directed at aiki as well?

just curious

of the two of us, one appears to have a history of this behavior over time (and it isnt me) ;)

My mistake. I'm sure that we can expect a response. This is not a contest of wills. It is a forum of people that are just trying to improve their ability to make money as investors in a difficult market. Politics be dammed, it is about us in the end.

[freakscene]

My mistake. I'm sure that we can expect a response. This is not a contest of wills. It is a forum of people that are just trying to improve their ability to make money as investors in a difficult market. Politics be dammed, it is about us in the end.

agreed and understood

cheers !

[Jelly]

agreed and understood

cheers !

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[aiki14]

She says Nukular. Do we really need a third term of Nukular?

[freakscene]

She says Nukular. Do we really need a third term of Nukular?

of course not

we need this instead

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo285/joe_user12/flag.gif

[freakscene]

Ok. I guess you think you're witty, but you come across as one of those guys on 42nd street with the bullhorns, pestering passersby.

sorry for missing you Yankee

i wonder of you would also include The Financial Times, the Wall Street Journal and even more so Investors Business Daily who has been rather critical of the socialism of Obama, and what has also been called the Marxist plan for the "bail out". links have been posted

I still expect aiki to cancel his subscription to IBD who has been writing some rather scathing reports on Obama - from both a social and economic perspective

damn right wing hate filled rags

:biggrin:

[BuyOnDips]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKrk_6QjcNw&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/02/luntz-focus-group-palin-in-a-blowout/

[cramerica1972]

My mistake. I'm sure that we can expect a response. This is not a contest of wills. It is a forum of people that are just trying to improve their ability to make money as investors in a difficult market. Politics be dammed, it is about us in the end.any chance i can get palin in bed? LOL

[concrete]

An assertion I routinely make is that the modern right wing is all about roping in suckers. I think Palin did her best Carnie Barker routine, and all the suckers will holler real loud she's The One, it reminded me of Bush when he was their object of worship, and I found the thought nauseating - another incompetent boob being given credit by chumps for more brain power than is actually there. Thinking people, on the other hand, will see right thru the performance: she offered nothing new, claiming she was a "reformer" yet offering nothing in the way of reforms, but most disturbing was her endorsement of Cheneyism, the idea that the VP is somehow some extra-constitutional office, which in reality means an unaccountable power-vacuum sucking VP who acts for an incompetent president, leading to the secret shadow government we've had eight disgusting years of. Between that and the non-answers, she simply did not score outside of her own RWNJ base, and new suckers are getting impossible for the RWNJs to find.

[freakscene]

An assertion I routinely make is that the modern right wing is all about roping in suckers

they are ???? why thats unheard of !!!! i'm outraged........no, wait, what was that piece of news that *broke* yesterday....

Democracy Alliance memo details Dem plan to "educate the idiots" and target minorities

http://www2.facethestate.com/articles/democracy-alliance-memo-details-dem-plan-educate-idiots-and-target-minorities


In a confidential internal memorandum obtained by Face The State (PDF), the Colorado Democracy Alliance outlines a roster of "operatives" who worked for Democratic victory in the 2006 general election. The document outlines specific tasks for various members of the state's liberal infrastructure, including a campaign to "educate the idiots," assigned to the state's AFL-CIO union. Among the operation's intended targets: "minorities, GED's, drop-outs."


but most disturbing was her endorsement of Cheneyism, the idea that the VP is somehow some extra-constitutional office, which in reality means an unaccountable power-vacuum sucking VP who acts for an incompetent president,

perhaps you and Joe biden should go and actually read the Constitution

quoting mr 'my helicopter was shot at....ok, no it wasnt'

"Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history. The idea he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that."


now, lets see what that pesky thing the Constitution actually says........

Article I - the LEGISTLATIVE BRANCH

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

hmmmmmmmm


http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec3

Article II defines the Executive

joe should understand that

everyone should

[aiki14]

now, lets see what that pesky thing the Constitution actually says........

Article I - the LEGISTLATIVE BRANCH



hmmmmmmmm


http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec3

Article II defines the Executive

joe should understand that

everyone should

You should, The sergeant at arms is responsible for maintaining order, but nobody would say he is part of the legislature. The vice president breaks ties, he/she cannot offer bills or resolutions, or any other of the functions of the legislators. Being president of the senate makes one no more a member of the legislative branch than being the chaplain of the senate.
Prior to the 12th amendment the vice president was the guy who finished second in the vote for president, implying that he/she is not part of the executive branch is a canard.

In article 1 the legislature is said to consist of the Senate and House, and then further goes on to say the following:

"The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature."

Vice president doesn't apply to that as he is voted on every 4 yrs.

"The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, (chosen by the Legislature thereof,) (The preceding words in parentheses superseded by 17th Amendment, section 1.) for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote."

Vice pres gets no vote so he doesn't qualify there.

So logic says
A)Article 1 section 1:
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

B)Article 1 section 2:
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

c) Article 1 sec 3:
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, (chosen by the Legislature thereof,) (The preceding words in parentheses superseded by 17th Amendment, section 1.) for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

So 1)the Legislature consists of a House and a Senate (A)
2) The House consists of B
3) The Senate consists of C

Therefore the Vice president is not part of the legislature.

To fortify that position note the 20th amendment that says the Pres and VP have terms that expire on 20 Jan while the congressional terms expire on 3 Jan.
Note also that the 27th amendment limiting Congressional pay increases makes no mention of the VP.
Note also that the VP cannot be any person not constitutionally eligible to be the president, a qualification not required of members of the congress.

[freakscene]

Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history. The idea he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that."

the idea that you keep defending this is not even interesting anymore

youre as much of a charlatan as the person for which you will be voting

he was miserably wrong, trying to look impressive.

[concrete]

Great illustration of the coming Fiscal Constitutionalist / Anti-Constitutionalist War by Paul Roberts, former Assistant Treasury Secretary under Reagan, a card-carrying F/C. He nails the A/C wing to the wall, and in this article written last May:


From Failure to Threat
The Metamorphosis of the Conservative Movement

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

UC Berkeley tenured law professor John Yoo epitomizes the failure of the conservative movement in America. Known as “the torture professor,” Yoo penned the Department of Justice (sic) memos that gave a blank check to sadistic Americans to torture detainees at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. The human rights violations that John Yoo sanctioned destroyed America’s reputation and exposed the Bush Regime as more inhumane than the Muslim terrorists. The acts that Yoo justified are felonies under US law and war crimes under the Nuremberg standard.

Yoo’s torture memos are so devoid of legal basis that his close friend and fellow conservative member of the Federalist Society, Jack Goldsmith, rescinded the memos when he was appointed head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.

Yoo’s extremely shoddy legal work and the fervor with which he served the evil intentions of the Bush Regime have led to calls from distinguished legal scholars for Yoo’s dismissal from Berkeley’s Boalt Hall.

I sympathize with the calls for Yoo’s dismissal. In the new edition of The Tyranny of Good Intentions, my coauthor and I write: “Liberty has no future in America if law schools provide legitimacy to those who would subvert the US Constitution.”

However, John Yoo is but the tip of the iceberg. Scapegoating Yoo diverts attention from a neoconservative movement that has become the greatest enemy of the US Constitution.

In theory conservatives adore the Constitution and seek to protect it with appeals to “original intent.” In practice conservatives hate the Constitution as the protector of homosexuals and abortionists. Conservatives regard civil liberties as coddling devices for criminals and terrorists. They see the First Amendment as a foolish protection for sedition. The neoconservative magazine, Commentary, has called for the New York Times to be prosecuted for informing Americans that President Bush was illegally spying on them without warrants.

The conservative assault on the US Constitution is deeply entrenched. The Federalist Society, an organization of Republican attorneys from which the Republican Party chooses its Justice Department appointees and nominees to the federal bench, was organized as an assault on the checks and balances in the Constitution.

The battle cry of the Federalist Society is “energy in the executive.” The society has its origin in Republican frustrations from the days when Republicans had a “lock on the presidency,” but had their agenda blocked by a Democratic Congress. The Federalist Society set about producing rationales for elevating the powers of the executive in order to evade the checks and balances the Founding Fathers wrote into the political system.

With the Bush Regime we have seen President Nixon’s claim that “it’s not illegal if the President does it” carried to new heights. With the complicity of Democrats, Bush and Cheney have appointed attorneys general who have elevated the presidency above the law.

Just as liberals used judicial activism in the federal courts to achieve their agenda, the conservatives are using the Department of Justice to concentrate power in the executive branch in order to achieve their agenda. In America the Constitution has no friends. It is always in the way of one agenda or the other and, thus, always under threat.

For now, however, the threat is from the right. Conservatives have confused loyalty to country, which is loyalty to the Constitution, with loyalty to the Bush Regime. It is purely a partisan loyalty based in emotion--”you are with us or against us.”

When I was a young man conservatives were frustrated that facts, reason and analysis could not penetrate liberal emotion. Today facts, reason and analysis cannot penetrate conservative emotions. When I write a factual column describing how we have been deceived into wars that are clearly not in our interest, self-described conservatives indignantly write to me: “If you hate America so much, why don’t you move to Cuba!” Conservatives have become so intellectually pathetic that they regard my defense of civil liberties as an anti-American act.

Today’s conservatives are so poorly informed that they cannot understand that to lose the Constitution is to lose the country.

John Yoo was a willing accomplice of inhumane and illegal acts. But his greatest crime is that he was a willing participant in the Bush Regime’s assault on the Constitution, which protects us all. If Yoo is to be held accountable, what about George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and his aides, attorneys general Gonzalles and Mukasey, Yoo’s Justice Department boss, now federal judge Bybee, Rumsfeld, Rice, Hadley, and the legion of neocon brownshirts that comprise the regime’s subcabinet? Is Yoo any more culpable than anyone else who served the corrupt, evil, and anti-American Bush Regime?

The ease with which the Bush Regime has run roughshod over the law and Constitution indicates that the brownshirt mentality to which many Americans have succumbed has sufficient attractive power to cause a professor from one of the country’s great liberal institutions to serve the cause of tyranny. The conservative movement has produced a cadre of brownshirts that might yet succeed in destroying the American Constitution.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com

[concrete]

Article II defines the Executive

joe should understand that

everyone should

I think what Biden himself cited, that the office of the VP, it's duties and other matters, are defined in Article 2, which is the article that creates and defines the Executive Branch, totally shoots down Cheney's power grab ********. The fact that Palin wants to pursue Cheneyism makes her, IMO, a power-grabbing danger to our form of government.

http://www.constitution.org/usconsti.htm#article2

[freakscene]

well, we can only go by his words now cant we.

Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history. The idea he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that."

i know how supporters of his are well versed in trying to correct what he said

of course Palin never said she wanted "to pursue cheneyism" either, but thats a whole other topic

[aiki14]

This is from the NY Times opinion page, so expect the knuckledraggers to reject it out of hand, but they have it right on this:

Dick Cheney, Role Model

Published: October 3, 2008
In all the talk about the vice-presidential debate, there was an issue that did not get much attention but kept nagging at us: Sarah Palin’s description of the role and the responsibilities of the office for which she is running, vice president of the United States.

In Thursday night’s debate, Ms. Palin was asked about the vice president’s role in government. She said she agreed with Dick Cheney that “we have a lot of flexibility in there” under the Constitution. And she declared that she was “thankful that the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president also, if that vice president so chose to exert it.”

It is hard to tell from Ms. Palin’s remarks whether she understands how profoundly Dick Cheney has reshaped the vice presidency — as part of a larger drive to free the executive branch from all checks and balances. Nor did she seem to understand how much damage that has done to American democracy.

Mr. Cheney has shown what can happen when a vice president — a position that is easy to lampoon and overlook — is given free rein by the president and does not care about trampling on the Constitution.

Mr. Cheney has long taken the bizarre view that the lesson of Watergate was that Congress was too powerful and the president not powerful enough. He dedicated himself to expanding President Bush’s authority and arrogating to himself executive, legislative and legal powers that are nowhere in the Constitution.

This isn’t the first time that Ms. Palin was confronted with the issue. In an interview with Katie Couric of CBS News, the Alaska governor was asked what she thought was the best and worst about the Cheney vice presidency. Ms. Palin tried to dodge: laughing and joking about the hunting accident in which Mr. Cheney accidentally shot a friend. The only thing she had to add was that Mr. Cheney showed support for the troops in Iraq.

There was not a word about Mr. Cheney’s role in starting the war with Iraq, in misleading Americans about weapons of mass destruction, in leading the charge to create illegal prison camps where detainees are tortured, in illegally wiretapping Americans, in creating an energy policy that favored the oil industry that made him very rich before the administration began.

Ms. Couric asked Joseph Biden, Ms. Palin’s rival, the same question in a separate interview. He had it exactly right when he told her that Mr. Cheney’s theory of the “unitary executive” held that “Congress and the people have no power in a time of war.” And he had it right in the debate when he called Mr. Cheney “the most dangerous vice president we’ve had in American history.”

The Constitution does not state or imply any flexibility in the office of vice president. It gives the vice president no legislative responsibilities other than casting a tie-breaking vote in the Senate when needed and no executive powers at all. The vice president’s constitutional role is to be ready to serve if the president dies or becomes incapacitated.

Any president deserves a vice president who will be a sound adviser and trustworthy supporter. But the American people also deserve and need a vice president who understands and respects the balance of power — and the limits of his or her own power. That is fundamental to our democracy.

So far, Ms. Palin has it exactly, frighteningly wrong.

[aiki14]

This one is from Bob Herbert, who is both liberal and Black, so expect frothing at the mouth from the knuckledraggers:

Palin’s Alternate Universe

By BOB HERBERT
Published: October 3, 2008
Sarah Palin is the perfect exclamation point to the Bush years.

We’ve lived through nearly two terms of an administration that believed it could create its own reality:

“Deficits don’t matter.” “Brownie, you’re doing a heckuva job.” “Those weapons of mass destruction must be somewhere.”

Now comes Ms. Palin, a smiling, bubbly vice-presidential candidate who travels in an alternate language universe. For Ms. Palin, such things as context, syntax and the proximity of answers to questions have no meaning.

In her closing remarks at the vice-presidential debate Thursday night, Ms. Palin referred earnestly, if loosely, to a quote from Ronald Reagan. He had warned that if Americans weren’t vigilant in protecting their freedom, they would find themselves spending their “sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was like in America when men were free.”

What Ms. Palin didn’t say was that the menace to freedom that Reagan was talking about was Medicare. As the historian Robert Dallek has pointed out, Reagan “saw Medicare as the advance wave of socialism, which would ‘invade every area of freedom in this country.’ ”

Does Ms. Palin agree with that Looney Tunes notion? Or was this just another case of the aw-shucks, darn-right, I’m-just-a-hockey-mom governor of Alaska mouthing something completely devoid of meaning?

Here’s Ms. Palin during the debate: “Say it ain’t so, Joe! There you go pointing backwards again ... Now, doggone it, let’s look ahead and tell Americans what we have to plan to do for them in the future. You mentioned education, and I’m glad you did. I know education you are passionate about with your wife being a teacher for 30 years, and God bless her. Her reward is in heaven, right?”

If Governor Palin didn’t like a question, or didn’t know the answer, she responded as though some other question had been asked. She made no bones about this, saying early in the debate: “I may not answer the questions the way that either the moderator or you want to hear.”

The problem with Ms. Palin’s candidacy is that John McCain might actually win this election, and then if something terrible happened, the country could be left with little more than an exclamation point as president.

After Ms. Palin had woven one of her particularly impenetrable linguistic webs, Joe Biden turned to the debate’s moderator, Gwen Ifill, and said: “Gwen, I don’t know where to start.”

Of course he didn’t know where to start because Ms. Palin’s words don’t mean anything. She’s all punctuation.

This is such a serious moment in American history that it’s hard to believe that someone with Ms. Palin’s limited skills could possibly be playing a leadership role. On the day before the debate, the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, Gen. David McKiernan, made an urgent appeal for more troops, saying the additional “boots on the ground,” as well as more helicopters and other vital equipment, were “needed as quickly as possible.”

The morning after the debate, the Labor Department announced that the employment situation in the U.S. had deteriorated even more than experts had expected. The nation lost nearly 160,000 jobs in September, more than double the monthly losses in July and August.

Conditions are probably worse than even those numbers indicate because the government’s statistics do not yet reflect the response of employers to the credit crisis that has taken such a hold in the last few weeks.

Where is the evidence that Governor Palin even understands these complex and enormously challenging problems? During the debate she twice referred to General McKiernan as “McClellan.” Neither Ms. Ifill nor Senator Biden corrected her.

But after Senator Biden suggested that John McCain’s answer to the nation’s energy problems was to “drill, drill, drill,” Ms. Palin promptly pointed out, as if scoring a point, that “the chant is ‘Drill, baby, drill!’ ”

How’s that for perspective? The credit markets are frozen. Our top general in Afghanistan is dialing 911. Americans are losing jobs by the scores of thousands. And Sarah Palin is making sure we know that the chant is “drill, baby, drill!” not “drill, drill, drill.”

John McCain has spent most of his adult life speaking of his love for his country. Maybe he sees something in Sarah Palin that most Americans do not. Maybe he is aware of qualities that lead him to believe she’d be as steady as Franklin Roosevelt in guiding the U.S. through a prolonged economic downturn. Maybe she’d be as wise and prudent in a national emergency as John Kennedy was during the Cuban missile crisis.

Maybe Senator McCain has reason to believe that it would not be the most colossal of errors to put Ms. Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency.

He’s got just four weeks to share that insight with the rest of us.

[aiki14]

This guy is from Harvard, and has an interesting perspective, I disagree on the Nukular stuff, but that's a small point:

Everything You Heard Is Wrong

By STEVEN PINKER
Published: October 3, 2008
Boston

SINCE the vice presidential debate on Thursday night, two opposing myths have quickly taken hold about Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska. The first, advanced by her supporters, is that she made it through a gantlet of fire; the second, embraced by her detractors, is that her speaking style betrays her naïveté. Both are wrong.

Let’s take the first myth: Governor Palin subjected herself to the most demanding test possible — a televised debate. By surviving, she won. As the front page of The Daily News of New York screamed this morning, “No Baked Alaska.”

But as a test of clear thinking, the debate format was far less demanding than a face-to-face interview — the kind Ms. Palin had with Katie Couric of CBS.

Why? Because in a one-on-one conversation, you can’t launch into a prepared speech on a topic unrelated to the question. Imagine this exchange — based on the first question that the moderator, Gwen Ifill, gave Ms. Palin and Senator Joe Biden — if it took place in casual conversation over coffee:

LISA How about that bailout? Was this Washington at its best or at its worst?

MICHAEL You know, I think a good barometer here, as we try to figure out has this been a good time or a bad time in America’s economy, is go to a kid’s soccer game on Saturday, and turn to any parent there on the sideline and ask them, “How are you feeling about the economy?”

Lisa would flee. (This was, in fact, Ms. Palin’s response.) In a conversation, you have to build your sentence phrase by phrase, monitoring the reaction of your listener, while aiming for relevance to the question. That’s what led Ms. Palin into word salad with Ms. Couric. But when the questioner is 30 feet away on the floor and you’re on a stage talking to a camera, which can’t interrupt or make faces, you can reel off a script without embarrassment. The concerns raised by the Couric interviews — that Ms. Palin memorizes talking points rather than grasping issues — should not be allayed by her performance in the forgiving format of a debate.

The second myth about Ms. Palin is that her accent is contrived, or that it reveals laziness or ignorance on her part. Certainly, Ms. Palin cranked the folksiness dial to 11 during the debate: she dropped more g’s, reverted to “nucular” after being teleprompted during the Republican National Convention to pronounce it “new-clear,” and salted her speech with cutesy near profanities like “darn,” “heck” and “doggone.”

But it would be unfair to question the authenticity of her accent or to use it as a measure of her intellect or sophistication. The dialect is certainly for real. Listeners who hear the Minnewegian sounds of the characters from “Fargo” when they listen to Ms. Palin are on to something: the Matanuska-Susitna Valley in Alaska, where she grew up, was settled by farmers from Minnesota during the Depression.

And no, “nucular” is not a sign of ignorance. This reversal of vowel-like consonants (nuk-l’-yer —> nuk-y’-ler) is common in the world’s languages, and is no more illiterate than pronouncing “iron” the way most Americans do, as “eye-yern” instead of “eye-ren.”

Nor is Ms. Palin guilty of laziness in “dropping g’s,” because there is no such thing as “dropping g’s.” The sounds at the end of “nothing” and “nothin’” are different consonants (linguists call them “eng” and “en”), one produced with the tongue on the gum ridge, the other with the tongue on the soft palate. We just spell the second one with two letters. We all flip between “eng” and “en” in our speech, though lower-class speakers do it more, and everyone does it more when the conversation is more casual. It’s the output of an informality dial that all of us, regardless of accent, twiddle as we tune our speech to the circumstances.

And twiddle it she did. Ms. Palin, for instance, pronounced her “ens” more conspicuously in the debate than in the Couric interviews, a part to emphasize that she was one with “everyday American people, Joe Six-Pack, hockey moms across the nation.”

The impression fits with the overall theme that Ms. Palin and Senator John McCain have been trying to advance: that expertise is overrated, homespun sincerity is better than sophistication, conviction is more important than analysis.

Being able to see Russia from Alaska, then, means you have an understanding of foreign policy; living in an Arctic state means that you have an understanding of climate change. In Mr. McCain’s case, it means, as he wrote last month, understanding technology policy because he flew airplanes in Vietnam and being concerned about the oceans’ health because he served in the Navy.

Much could also be written about Senator Joe Biden’s gaffes and what they reveal about him. In the meantime, voters judging Ms. Palin’s performance should focus on the facile governing philosophy that is symbolized by her speech style, not the red herrings of accent or dialect.

Steven Pinker, a professor of psychology at Harvard, is the author of “The Stuff of Thought: Language as a Window Into Human Nature.”

[concrete]

This one is from Bob Herbert, who is both liberal and Black, so expect frothing at the mouth from the knuckledraggers:



http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/knuckledragger1.jpg

[Gordo]

Aiki

At least Palin has her facts correct. Biden is a bumbling idiot who doesn't know his (short term) history.

Both sides are full of crap.....but I'd rather have a small business owner/governor /hockey mom who is middle class leading this country than a full time politician dope (Biden).

Love,
Knuckledragger:thefinger:

[Riddicks]

Aiki

At least Palin has her facts correct. Biden is a bumbling idiot who doesn't know his (short term) history.

Both sides are full of crap.....but I'd rather have a small business owner/governor /hockey mom who is middle class leading this country than a full time politician dope (Biden).

Love,
Knuckledragger:thefinger:

That's the problem with you guys, you guys see this thing as a feel good disney movie, when there are real problems for what we need real answers, and not once in her speech did she mention anything of substance. My dad, who doesn't have the best grasp of American Politics mentioned this "How can the greatest powerhouse in the world actually nominate a candidate this stupid, what does that say about their people?" I am sure that's what bothers most of the people here.

[Gordo]

That's the problem with you guys, you guys see this thing as a feel good disney movie, when there are real problems for what we need real answers, and not once in her speech did she mention anything of substance. My dad, who doesn't have the best grasp of American Politics mentioned this "How can the greatest powerhouse in the world actually nominate a candidate this stupid, what does that say about their people?" I am sure that's what bothers most of the people here.

Obviously your zeal for the liberal left far exceeds your reading comprehension. Notice how I said BOTH SIDES are full of crap. Secondly, and by your own admission, your dad who doesn't have a full grasp of American politics should at least see Palin as the one who most identifies with middle class.

I love free speech.....thats why I exercise it daily. Please feel free to respond.

Lastly, this campaign is about the presidency of which I see you are a Obama supporter. What is your reasoning for supporting him?

[aiki14]

Aiki

At least Palin has her facts correct. Biden is a bumbling idiot who doesn't know his (short term) history.

Both sides are full of crap.....but I'd rather have a small business owner/governor /hockey mom who is middle class leading this country than a full time politician dope (Biden).

Love,
Knuckledragger:thefinger:

Really, Palin has her facts correct? You are getting your facts from Fox News aren't you?

Both sides are full of crap, maybe. But I'll take the full of crap folks who recognize Mr. Cheney for what he is over your hockey mom. My sister in law is a hockey mom and I wouldn't let her be in charge of the TV remote.

Here's the unbiased measure of the Palin v Biden debate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html

[Gordo]

Really, Palin has her facts correct? You are getting your facts from Fox News aren't you?

Both sides are full of crap, maybe. But I'll take the full of crap folks who recognize Mr. Cheney for what he is over your hockey mom. My sister in law is a hockey mom and I wouldn't let her be in charge of the TV remote.

Here's the unbiased measure of the Palin v Biden debate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html

Well its too late for going back and changing the senario. She still better than bumble butt Biden. That guy talks more BS than me.

As far as the Fox news comment, yes I watch it. Like you, I also explore a plethora of other news companies before making an opinion.

[Riddicks]

I love free speech.....thats why I exercise it daily. Please feel free to respond.

Lastly, this campaign is about the presidency of which I see you are a Obama supporter. What is your reasoning for supporting him?

Aiki made a really good point, do you really want your neighbor "Ned Flanders" running your country? No matter how "nice" they are, or how they compare to you. My sister is a hockey mom and I wouldn't trust her to drive my nieces and nephews somewhere without getting lost.

And what my dad meant was that there was nothing in Palin's speech that was not rehearsed, she couldn't answer the questions that were asked and everything sounded like the same old company line that was thaught to her over and over. Any bumbling fool could see that, and I would think that you could too.

[aaronchall]

Riddicks, I think that's a little unfair. Sarah Palin is not just a mother, she's a governor and an ex-mayor. Our country's leaders are generally from small towns.

In fact, she has much more executive experience than Obama, the product of Chicago machine politics, who's idea of leadership is voting "Present" on any controversial issue.

[aiki14]

Great news!! Polls are showing the McCain-Palin ticket is losing ground.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/general-election/electoral-college-results.html

Apparently McCain is unable to separate himself from the president, or the economic downturn, and the public is not reacting well to his attack style campaign.
McCain comes back to Washington and saves the day for the Bush\Paulson wall street bailout. That's the campaign strategy? What's Joe Sixpack saying about that?
Palins folksy style attempts to attract Joe Sixpack to the ticket, but Joe is having tough times in this economy and he blames republicans. Freak will say the dems are to blame, but Joe only knows he's hurting and the face of the pain is Bush's.

[aiki14]

I wonder if the folks on the right have an opinion as to why the polls are trending for Obama.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110932/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Maintains-Significant-Margin.aspx

Here's text of the page linked above:

Obama has now held a statistically significant lead over McCain for the last eight days, one shy of his campaign-best streak of nine days with a lead around the time of the Democratic National Convention.

Voter preferences appear somewhat stable at the moment, as Obama has held similar advantages over McCain in each of the last three individual nights' polling. That includes Friday polling, the first interviews conducted following Thursday's widely viewed vice presidential debate, the passage of the economic rescue bill supported by both Obama and McCain, and Friday's bleak jobs report.

The presidential candidates are set to square off in round two of the presidential debates on Tuesday, answering questions asked by uncommitted voters. -- Jeff Jones

[aiki14]

Betting markets are said to be a better predictor of election results than polls. In 2004 they were way ahead of the curve in the prediction of Bush winning when polls had Kerry ahead.

http://www.intrade.com/

[Gordo]

It ain't over till its over.

I liken McCain to a top rank boxer in a 12 round title fight. He has been going to the body for 7 rounds inflicting damage slowly revealing weaknesses. His opponent has been throwing head shots that look brilliant and seem to score higher with the audience. There are 5 more rounds left.....those body shots are taking their toll.

[aiki14]

It ain't over till its over.

I liken McCain to a top rank boxer in a 12 round title fight. He has been going to the body for 7 rounds inflicting damage slowly revealing weaknesses. His opponent has been throwing head shots that look brilliant and seem to score higher with the audience. There are 5 more rounds left.....those body shots are taking their toll.

I am gonna wager you are an expert in taking head shots. Just a theory.

It is of course not over til it's over. I am not counting my chickens. Even when everything's coming up roses, every rose has it's thorns. Oh look a book of cliches. What are the odds?

[Gordo]

Yeah. Since you are so smart tell us what they what they say about theory.....

Any fighter will tell you a properly placed body shot will drop you quicker than a head shot.

Go ahead aiki, make a prediction if you feel so bold about Obama. Show us. Nevermind, I'll just read the NY Times.:mrgreen:

Good going at it with you. No hard feelings.

Who ever wins, this is still the best country in the world.

Good night.

[aiki14]

Any fighter will tell you a properly placed body shot will drop you quicker than a head shot.

Good going at it with you. No hard feelings.

Who ever wins, this is still the best country in the world.

Good night.

A head shot will drop you faster than a body shot, if by drop you mean lose the ability to stand, or lose consciousness. Cous/contracous trauma is a very fast way to lose conciousness. A blow to the upper chest timed just after left ventricular depolarization might just kill you faster than any shot to the head but it would have to be perfect in timing and location, and a pretty solid blow.
A blow delivered to the liver (right upper quadrant of the abdomen) will drop someone pretty quick due to extreme pain, as will a kidney shot (lower back so not really a "body shot" in boxing terms), and both can kill or cause severe injury.

I'd love to demonstrate if you're ever in Philly.

Always love a good argument but the F U smileys bring hard feelings.

Yep, still the best country, but giving up ground every day.

G'night

[aiki14]

Good liver punches by the master at 3:01, 3:05, and 3:10. At 4:40 he kills him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A9SjPhC0pM&feature=related

[aiki14]

The master of the head shot. 3:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAniAqJUBUo&feature=related

[Jelly]

McCunt can't even go one round, let alone a whole fight, without brain freeze and emotional synapse explosions. I have never appreciated that age = wisdom. Especially in the geometrically expanding/changing conditions we have now.

The younger side of the ticket is no better. I don't think she realizes her pet rock does not need to be fed.

I just bought three more boxes of currenc....uh, ammo.

[freakscene]

Great news!! Polls are showing the McCain-Palin ticket is losing ground.



yeah !

Go Socialism !!!!

[freakscene]

Aiki

At least Palin has her facts correct. Biden is a bumbling idiot who doesn't know his (short term) history.

Both sides are full of crap.....but I'd rather have a small business owner/governor /hockey mom who is middle class leading this country than a full time politician dope (Biden).

Love,
Knuckledragger:thefinger:

lets not forget that if she tried to invoke the Constitution during the debate and failed as miserably as Biden-i-really-wasnt-shot-at, her "gaffe" would have been bold print in that very same NYT, on NBC 24/7, and part of the Letterman show for days

yet......here we have a charlatan in aiki, trying to actually defend biden-fdr-went-on-national-tv-ummmmm-who-was-it?'s blunder.

biden proved his c grades in law school werent wrong
and aiki again proves to be a lemming

[concrete]

lets not forget that if she tried to invoke the Constitution during the debate and failed as miserably as Biden-i-really-wasnt-shot-at, her "gaffe" would have been bold print in that very same NYT, on NBC 24/7, and part of the Letterman show for days

yet......here we have a charlatan in aiki, trying to actually defend biden-fdr-went-on-national-tv-ummmmm-who-was-it?'s blunder.

biden proved his c grades in law school werent wrong
and aiki again proves to be a lemming


http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/610x.jpg

[concrete]

Last nights Tina Fey appearance on SNL.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-i_n_131964.html

[aiki14]

and aiki again proves to be a lemming

I notice as usual when you are faced with evidence your assertions are incorrect you just forget to acknowledge it. Why not respond to post 90 in this thread.

I am a bit put off, that you're no longer using your signature to hit me with your scared rat digs.

Since you continue to come off as a mental patient gone off his meds, I guess I should thank you for aiding my cause.

So let me take this moment to offer you my heartfelt thanks, nothing I could say or do here, would help the Obama cause more effectively than your continued posting.

Oh and one more thing, double up on the Welbutrin.

[freakscene]

I notice as usual when you are faced with evidence your assertions are incorrect you just forget to acknowledge it.

not exactly, but i guess this is sort of like how you completely dismissed Joe Bidens actual comments, and then went on to support a red herring of an argument that was never made ?

that you dont see this, is not surprising

[aiki14]

not exactly, but i guess this is sort of like how you completely dismissed Joe Bidens actual comments, and then went on to support a red herring of an argument that was never made ?

that you dont see this, is not surprising

So your whole point in post 89 was that Biden got the article wrong?

Mr Cheney has said, he, as vice president, is part of the legislative branch. Ms Palin was saying there was some flexibility in the interpretation of the VP's role, as evidenced by Mr. Cheney's statement. That's the point Biden was refuting, and the point I was refuting in post 90. It could also be said that since the VP is noted in article 1 as pres of senate, and lays out the legislative branch to clearly not include the VP therein, Mr. Biden was correct.
Admittedly these are nuanced points that your ham fisted mentality is unlikely to be capable of resolving. (That's resolving in the optical sense)
Of course this is a thread about Palin so I am not interested in defending in Bidens comments. (Remember how you said that in the Barack Obama thread when asked to defend Mr. McCain).

By the way freak, I had the best round of golf of my life yesterday, playing a ball called the Freak by Top-Flite.
http://topflite.com/balls/freak/
It was great to smack it around, just like I do to you around here.

[BuyOnDips]

If Palin had made all the mistakes or lies that Biden made during the debate, there would have been pressure from the media to remove her from the ticket.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10042008/postopinion/editorials/the_lies_biden_told_132104.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122300786229301597.html

[freakscene]

So your whole point in post 89 was that Biden got the article wrong?

wow, you are quick !

he invoked the Constitution, and failed miserably. you never seemed to be able to grasp that minor detail, up until now. i should congratulate you i guess.

had Palin done that.....................


It was great to smack it around, just like I do to you around here.

right

imitation is the highest form of flattery, comrade lemming

[Gordo]

A head shot will drop you faster than a body shot, if by drop you mean lose the ability to stand, or lose consciousness. Cous/contracous trauma is a very fast way to lose conciousness. A blow to the upper chest timed just after left ventricular depolarization might just kill you faster than any shot to the head but it would have to be perfect in timing and location, and a pretty solid blow.
A blow delivered to the liver (right upper quadrant of the abdomen) will drop someone pretty quick due to extreme pain, as will a kidney shot (lower back so not really a "body shot" in boxing terms), and both can kill or cause severe injury.

I'd love to demonstrate if you're ever in Philly.

Always love a good argument but the F U smileys bring hard feelings.

Yep, still the best country, but giving up ground every day.

G'night

I've never been physically threatened on line before...although you've done it in such discreet manner. What I've found about you guys from Philly is that your mouths are bigger than your fight. You seem to be able to dish out the 'knuckle dragger' comments but can't take the finger salute!:aetsch:

Hows that make you feel? LOL!!!

[aiki14]

I've never been physically threatened on line before...although you've done it in such discreet manner. What I've found about you guys from Philly is that your mouths are bigger than your fight. You seem to be able to dish out the 'knuckle dragger' comments but can't take the finger salute!:aetsch:

Hows that make you feel? LOL!!!

The knuckledragger comment was directed towards Racists and Homophobes, you put yourself in the category. I am from NY, and happen to live near Philly. I was not threatening you, just offering you a chance to test your assertion. As to my mouth being bigger than my fight, I am almost 48 now so you're probably right, but it would be fun to find out.

[Jelly]

The knuckledragger comment was directed towards Racists and Homophobes, you put yourself in the category. I am from NY, and happen to live near Philly. I was not threatening you, just offering you a chance to test your assertion. As to my mouth being bigger than my fight, I am almost 48 now so you're probably right, but it would be fun to find out.

Both of you are weak in the "war" department compared to some internet battles I've seen but if I met you in a dark alley, I'd become super obsequious, fearing as I do, for my continued excellent sex life.

How do I count the ways one should not fu*k with aiki.

1) You could hack (computer and every facet of personal life) a person to death.
2) You would probably win most physical altercations.
3) You could use pocket change to hire a hit man

Alas, none of this is necessary. The simple (and your opponents really are) battle of wits here is proof of that.

[freakscene]

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo285/joe_user12/aiki_palin1.jpg

at least we know what aiki's been doing while his wife is away

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo285/joe_user12/aiki_palin2.jpg


heheheheh

[freakscene]

My dad, who doesn't have the best grasp of American Politics mentioned this "How can the greatest powerhouse in the world actually nominate a candidate this stupid, what does that say about their people?"



i know riddicks, i know !!! most logical thinkers wonder how in the world you democrats could nominate such an empty suit

best said by the Spectator, of all 4 candidates:

Meanwhile, the presidential campaign is marred, on one side, by a radical and utterly unaccomplished leftist ideologue joined by a serial plagiarist and exaggerator, and on the other side by a man temperamentally unsuited to the presidency joined by a running mate of high character but embarrassingly low familiarity with national affairs of state.

the radical, utterly unaccomplished leftist ideologue, joined by the serial plagiarist exaggerator - is your team

[freakscene]

aiki is right, his family tree does have monkey blood

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo285/joe_user12/aiki_monkey.jpg

:aetsch:

[aiki14]

Hey freak,
Photoshop this, bought it this morning. And remember as you're sitting in your cubicle, or driving around in your econobox whining about high gas prices, what you someday hope to be, and it's me.
3717

3718

3719

[Riddicks]

Damn Aiki, well I hope I get a ride in it someday when I come down.

[freakscene]

what you someday hope to be, and it's me.

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo285/joe_user12/aiki_ape.jpg

nah

i'll remain human

:)

[Riddicks]

Does anybody else find it appalling that this Bitch (A female version of Pit Bull) just called another citizen a terrorist? A Domestic Terrorist? Any person, be it a woman or a man shouldn't be called that, does she have any idea how much that hurts. A country you have lived in all your life a country you have represented all your life and loved. I don't know, I think if it was me, I'd break her face for saying that stuff, nobody should be questioning other persons love of their country. Especially her who hangs out with Domestic Terrorists herself like her Husband, who wants Alaska separated from America, and the other one is the witch doctor that blessed her to this chair of Governor.

I don't know how you get away with calling someone a terrorist, its like challenging their loyalty.

[freakscene]

Especially her who hangs out with Domestic Terrorists herself like her Husband, who wants Alaska separated from America, .


i see you continue to spread this lie

and who called who what?

if Palin called Obama a friend of Ayers and Dohrn, its rather a direct fact.
its also a fact that both are terrorists

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo285/joe_user12/aiki_palin1.jpg

he does look like a "separatist" though

:)

[aiki14]

FRom the Christian Science Monitor
Trouble for McCain, Palin in Philly burbs?

Dante Chinni
Posted: 10.07.2008 / 7:12 AM EDT

There are a lot of polls every four years with a lot of different numbers. In fact, many organizations not only report their own polls, but they also report a “poll of polls.” Take a look at CNN, RealClearPolitics, and Pollster.com for a few examples.

The idea is that averaging a group of polls helps smooth the numbers and put the outliers in perspective.

This weekend, Gwynedd-Mercy College, a Catholic school in Pennsylvania, conducted its own unique type of poll. Prof. Terry Kent Wimmer’s students randomly called more than 600 voters out of a phone book to get a read on what people in four key suburban Philadelphia counties – Montgomery, Bucks, Delaware, and Chester – were thinking about the election.

Taken at face value, the results were surprising. The poll showed Sen. Barack Obama leading Sen. John McCain in the four counties by a vast amount: 23 percentage points, 59 percent to 36 percent. Yet these counties all fall into Patchwork Nation’s politically split and wealthy “Monied ’Burbs” group – and are considered closely contested tossups in presidential races.

The poll carried a certain interest for Patchwork Nation as we have long held that those “Monied ’Burb” counties would be crucial to figuring out who wins the election.

But before any McCainiacs throw their laptop out the window or Obama supporters start planning their trips to D.C. for the inauguration, a few key caveats should be mentioned about the poll.

First, this is the first poll ever conducted by Gwynedd-Mercy College, and polling is a complicated science full of potential potholes. There were, for instance, no redials on non-answers and the calling list came from the local phone book. For many pollsters, both those things are generally no-nos. Second, there are a few peculiarities in the poll’s sample. Especially notable: Almost 70 percent of the poll sample were women, even though a Democratic-Republican gender difference in voting has been well documented.

Those kinds of issues make the margin of error hard to compute, if not impossible.

Bearing that in mind, it is very safe to say that Senator Obama does not hold a 23-point edge over Senator McCain in those four key counties – and certainly doesn’t in America’s “Monied ’Burb” counties in general.

Yet even with all the questions about Gwynedd-Mercy College’s poll, one finding jibes with what we’ve been hearing from our communities: The McCain campaign is seeing little positive impact among women from the inclusion of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on the ticket.

When respondents were asked who was more qualified to be vice president, Sen. Joseph Biden or Governor Palin, most cited Senator Biden – 74 percent to 26 percent. Remember that those numbers came from a poll that drew heavily from women voters – in particular white women, with almost 90 percent of the respondents Caucasian.

To be fair, Biden is popular in southeastern Pennsylvania due to his Scranton roots and his representing neighboring Delaware. But white female voters were the key group McCain was hoping to target with Palin.

The Palin pick has energized the conservative base, and our reporting indicates she may resonate with lower-income women in some places.

But “Monied ’Burbs,” such as those counties surrounding Philadelphia, will probably be key on Election Day, and the Gwynedd-Mercy College poll seems to be more evidence that Palin is not bringing much to the effort there.

[Riddicks]

Tell me I am wrong that her husband wasn't a part of a Alaskan Sepratist group. At least you don't hear Barack questioning this dear hockey mom's parenting skills about letting her daughter getting it on at that young age, actually thinking more about it, and knowing that it is Alaska and knowing that they have the highest rate of incestual cases, who knows whose kid her daughter is carrying.

[aiki14]

who knows whose kid her daughter is carrying.

Does anybody know where Jelly was that fateful night, when a young christian girl broke one cherry and a couple of commandments?

But like the righties say, it's a family matter, what young Miss Palin chooses to do in the privacy of some frost covered '97 Mustang is her business.

[freakscene]

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo285/joe_user12/aiki_monkey.jpg

:)

[freakscene]

Tell me I am wrong that her husband wasn't a part of a Alaskan Sepratist group.

i dont know if he was or wasnt

for the sake of the argument, i will concede the point.

that doesnt make him a terrorist. heck, its not exactly a secret Killington Vermont actually voted to secede from its State (2004 and 2005) because of taxes. Does that make the voters terrorists? There is also a movement in South Carolina to secede.

however, you fail to even mention the voter fraud by ACORN helping to toss this election to Obama, which is about as anti-democratic as a group can be.

if Obama wins and the bolsheviks retain power, dont expect Americans to take it easily

as an American i'd openly support any State that would want to secede from a marxists rule.

[Horsefish]

as an American i'd openly support any State that would want to secede from a marxists rule.


Thereby putting yourself in the same category as any other anarchist or terrorist that is trying to destroy this country? We went through this in the civil war. This is emotion, not clear thinking. You know, I know, that we will survive this. And we will be stronger after the test of time. Would you rather tear down the entire structure of our society so that your own ideology can be realized? Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

[aiki14]

if Obama wins and the bolsheviks retain power, dont expect Americans to take it easily

as an American i'd openly support any State that would want to secede from a marxists rule.

If Obama wins Americans will take it the same way they took it when the Bushies played their games, only a different vocal minority will whine for the next 4 years, and everybody else will go about their business wondering what the noise is.

Coming from a person who has stated that folks who don't agree with him politically are intellectually inferior, it is odd you give them so much credit.

[freakscene]

Thereby putting yourself in the same category as any other anarchist or terrorist that is trying to destroy this country? We went through this in the civil war. This is emotion, not clear thinking. You know, I know, that we will survive this. And we will be stronger after the test of time. Would you rather tear down the entire structure of our society so that your own ideology can be realized? Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

i can argue the marxists have already begun destroying the country

google ACORN and fraud as 1 simple example

[freakscene]

Coming from a person who has stated that folks who don't agree with him politically are intellectually inferior, it is odd you give them so much credit.

perhaps reading comprehension isnt your strongest suit, since i never said that.

you may want to spend some of your money on a gym, jim. working that gut off would be beneficial and perhaps the excersise will help stimulate the brain.

[aiki14]

Thereby putting yourself in the same category as any other anarchist or terrorist that is trying to destroy this country? We went through this in the civil war. This is emotion, not clear thinking. You know, I know, that we will survive this. And we will be stronger after the test of time. Would you rather tear down the entire structure of our society so that your own ideology can be realized? Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

Freakscene is a wannabe Charles Guiteau. Here's an interesting quote about Guiteau that may apply to ol' freaky:
When people refused to see him as a luminary, Charles would be confused, but he would grow to deny anything that contradicted his own grandiose vision of himself and would refuse to see the reality of his few and pitiful accomplishments. (Douglas MacGowan for Justus Doenecke)

[freakscene]

Freakscene is a wannabe Charles Guiteau.

and you are overweight

:)

[aiki14]

perhaps reading comprehension isnt your strongest suit, since i never said that.

you may want to spend some of your money on a gym, jim. working that gut off would be beneficial and perhaps the excersise will help stimulate the brain.

I'll get right on it.

From post 117 in the barack obama thread
"But I disagree that people on the opposite side can not be considered intellectually inferior."

The above was in response to my saying in post 116:
I do urge the posters to not fall into the trap of thinking that folks of opposite position are inherently intellectually inferior, that is factually incorrect, and serves no purpose other than to deepen the rift.

You're becoming a joke freaky.

[freakscene]

yup

and i stand by both statements

the argument can be made that a majority of those voting democrat are intellectually vapid

thats a simple fact

You're becoming a joke freaky.

and you remain fat

[aiki14]

perhaps reading comprehension isnt your strongest suit, since i never said that.


yup

and i stand by both statements

the argument can be made that a majority of those voting democrat are intellectually vapid

thats a simple fact

and you remain fat

hahahahahaha

You've lost the intellectual argument, and ceded the moral high ground. Congrats, you've become a joke. Sad because I was hoping the next few weeks would have some entertaining sparring, but you've been shown to be a loudmouth mental case, of dubious character, and grossly overmatched.

Another photoshop or lame dig, Einstein?

[Riddicks]

yup

and you remain fat

Hahaha, I guess we are in 3rd grade now and resorting to name calling?

Oh freaky, wait did you pass 3rd grade?

[aiki14]

Oh freaky, wait did you pass 3rd grade?

One out of three times!

[freakscene]

hahahahahaha

You've lost the intellectual argument, and ceded the moral high ground. Congrats, you've become a joke. Sad because I was hoping the next few weeks would have some entertaining sparring, but you've been shown to be a loudmouth mental case, of dubious character, and grossly overmatched.

Another photoshop or lame dig, Einstein?


i lost an intellectual argument?

you quoted me out of context by excluding the entire post and my entire response. i am hardly surprised that you then claim "victory". its your style.

i am not going anywhere

even after the election

overmatched?

maybe if your fat ass sits on me

dubious character, eh ?

A head shot will drop you faster than a body shot, if by drop you mean lose the ability to stand, or lose consciousness. Cous/contracous trauma is a very fast way to lose conciousness. A blow to the upper chest timed just after left ventricular depolarization might just kill you faster than any shot to the head but it would have to be perfect in timing and location, and a pretty solid blow.
A blow delivered to the liver (right upper quadrant of the abdomen) will drop someone pretty quick due to extreme pain, as will a kidney shot (lower back so not really a "body shot" in boxing terms), and both can kill or cause severe injury.

I'd love to demonstrate if you're ever in Philly.



some moral barometer you have

[freakscene]

Hahaha, I guess we are in 3rd grade now and resorting to name calling?

Oh freaky, wait did you pass 3rd grade?

so, you missed aiki threatening someone early ?
and you ignored his name calling also earlier ?

but you now seem to ridicule mine ? (and its more of an accurate description than anything. the dude is fat)

it appears the apple didnt fall far from your fathers tree ............

[Horsefish]

so, you missed aiki threatening someone early ?
and you ignored his name calling also earlier ?

but you now seem to ridicule mine ? (and its more of an accurate description than anything. the dude is fat)

it appears the apple didnt fall far from your fathers tree ............

That's not fat, it's affluence, we should all be there! Eat your heart out.

[aiki14]

That's not fat, it's affluence, we should all be there! Eat your heart out.

That's kind of you, but I have working mirrors. I am also not 11 years old so adolescent digs aren't gonna bother me. You can be sure that he is eating his heart out, nobody posts the kind of stuff he does unless there is a serious void in his ego. He's scared, and he's losing control of the situation, so he resorts to mindless attacks and crybaby whining. Even folks who agree with him on some level distance themselves from him, if only to avoid the spittle as he impotently tilts at windmills.

[freakscene]

You can be sure that he is eating his heart out, nobody posts the kind of stuff he does unless there is a serious void in his ego. .

hysterical

bring it on tubby


Originally Posted by aiki14
A head shot will drop you faster than a body shot, if by drop you mean lose the ability to stand, or lose consciousness. Cous/contracous trauma is a very fast way to lose conciousness. A blow to the upper chest timed just after left ventricular depolarization might just kill you faster than any shot to the head but it would have to be perfect in timing and location, and a pretty solid blow.
A blow delivered to the liver (right upper quadrant of the abdomen) will drop someone pretty quick due to extreme pain, as will a kidney shot (lower back so not really a "body shot" in boxing terms), and both can kill or cause severe injury.

I'd love to demonstrate if you're ever in Philly.

[Riddicks]

Haha, Tubby. By the way Freak, becareful what you say about my father. He is a hero to me, and if you ever bring him up in this post or any where again, I will personally come down there stick my foot so far up your ass that your nose will bleed.

AND THAT IS NOT A THREAT!!!!!

[freakscene]

If Obama wins Americans will take it the same way they took it when the Bushies played their games, only a different vocal minority will whine for the next 4 years, and everybody else will go about their business wondering what the noise is.


a clear demonstration of just how ignorant you are on politics in America. the "Bushies" never had a super majority, filibuster proof congress you idiot.

it can not be summed up any better than this:

If they turn out at the polls on Nov. 4, it could translate into a landslide for Obama.

If he can garner better than 50% of the popular vote, he can claim a mandate for his radical agenda.

What's more, all these first-time minority and student voters wouldn't vote for just Obama. They'd also more than likely vote down-ballot for other Democrats, padding their majorities in Congress.

If Democrats score supermajorities, filibuster-proofing the Senate, Obama could get most of his agenda rammed through in the first 100 days, surely in the first two years, before Americans could get a chance to check Democrat power in the midterm election of 2010.

How much damage could they do? Well, look at how much damage the Clintonistas did. We're now seeing the financial fruits of their social experiment to apply affirmative action to the lending business. Obama plans to conduct a far more radical social experiment.

Few during this long campaign have wanted to talk about Obama's days as a community organizer or his ties to radicals, because they didn't want to raise the S word. Well, guess what? The avoidance has given him license to apply his organizing skills on a mass scale.

It made the difference in the primaries when he beat the Clinton machine, and it may now make the difference in the general election.

Not calling attention to Alinsky and the other socialists behind the Obama movement has even allowed creation of camps to indoctrinate American youth.

If John McCain hopes to win, he'll have to act as ruthlessly as Obama's campers.

He can start by exposing for voters the socialist underpinnings of community organizing.



i doubt you have the capacity to understand

do you even read the thing or do you buy it to impress people? :p

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=307928498550592

[Jelly]

Haha, Tubby. By the way Freak, becareful what you say about my father. He is a hero to me, and if you ever bring him up in this post or any where again, I will personally come down there stick my foot so far up your ass that your nose will bleed.

AND THAT IS NOT A THREAT!!!!!

I have always known that if you cross the line in some bar by fu*king with a guy's mom or family, you have no right to call "foul" when they find you cut and bleeding in the alley the next morning.

Nowadays, it's more often that they won't find you at all. At least until the wild animals have had their fill.

*Personally, and in my world, I'm getting close to having a handle on "shoot first" without regret. Hesitating to pull the trigger will never see daylight on my tombstone.

[Jelly]

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo285/joe_user12/aiki_ape.jpg

nah

i'll remain human

:)

Is that really you in the pic?

[aiki14]

a clear demonstration of just how ignorant you are on politics in America. the "Bushies" never had a super majority, filibuster proof congress you idiot.


Nice non sequitor. A clear demonstration of your astonishing single mindedness. The Bushies used questionable tactics to get elected. Obama using questionable tactics (transporting homeless to voting places) was what you were whining about.

Folks, what you're seeing here is freaky melting down. If you look at his recent posts you can see the rabid frothing at the mouth desperation, you can feel the abject frustration of his world view being shattered. The terror of seeing his demented dream going up in smoke. This is what happens when you combine a rigid ideology, ego mania, a limited moral compass, and pharmacological non compliance. Quite sad actually, this individual has children. Can you imagine being an 11 y/o girl in his household, subject to these ravings, unable even to purchase your preferred gum, hiding the terrible secret from your school friends. Hey is that your dad, with the Ron Paul and Joseph McCarthy buttons on his soiled bathrobe, screaming at the communists "get off my lawn"? Wow we're so sorry.

[freakscene]

i see the entire point went over your head, or you just decided to not address it if you did understand it.

not surprising

[freakscene]

Is that really you in the pic?

no

that one is his long lost ancestor, thus confirming he really does come from apes

check out the palin pics. thats really aiki

[Yankee Fan]

Nice non sequitor. A clear demonstration of your astonishing single mindedness. The Bushies used questionable tactics to get elected. Obama using questionable tactics (transporting homeless to voting places) was what you were whining about.

Folks, what you're seeing here is freaky melting down. If you look at his recent posts you can see the rabid frothing at the mouth desperation, you can feel the abject frustration of his world view being shattered. The terror of seeing his demented dream going up in smoke. This is what happens when you combine a rigid ideology, ego mania, a limited moral compass, and pharmacological non compliance. Quite sad actually, this individual has children. Can you imagine being an 11 y/o girl in his household, subject to these ravings, unable even to purchase your preferred gum, hiding the terrible secret from your school friends. Hey is that your dad, with the Ron Paul and Joseph McCarthy buttons on his soiled bathrobe, screaming at the communists "get off my lawn"? Wow we're so sorry.

I don't know who's crazier, you for expecting a sensible answer from this character, or him. I have a picture in my mind of some maniac screaming at squirrels like Vincent "the chin" Gigante. Really funny.:D

[aiki14]

This is disgusting, on so many levels. I am a lifelong Ranger fan and try to see them when they are at Philly, so I bought tickets to saturdays game. Then this is announced:
Sarah Palin to help honor the Ultimate Hockey Mom
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, the nation's most popular hockey mom, will join the winner of the Philadelphia Flyers regional search for the "Ultimate Hockey Mom" contest and drop the puck at the ceremonial opening face-off as the Flyers host the New York Rangers at the Wachovia Center on Saturday, October 11 at 7 p.m.
http://now.eloqua.com/e/es.aspx?s=691&e=e5b7c0cbf5ac444790fef6e91cf3a254&elq=1EA6451E356B4329829DB6E5C94EF67C

[aiki14]

Is that really you in the pic?

What pic?

[GDFLS]

This is disgusting, on so many levels. I am a lifelong Ranger fan and try to see them when they are at Philly, so I bought tickets to saturdays game. Then this is announced:
Sarah Palin to help honor the Ultimate Hockey Mom
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, the nation's most popular hockey mom, will join the winner of the Philadelphia Flyers regional search for the "Ultimate Hockey Mom" contest and drop the puck at the ceremonial opening face-off as the Flyers host the New York Rangers at the Wachovia Center on Saturday, October 11 at 7 p.m.
http://now.eloqua.com/e/es.aspx?s=691&e=e5b7c0cbf5ac444790fef6e91cf3a254&elq=1EA6451E356B4329829DB6E5C94EF67C

Hm, who the hell voted her most popular hockey mom? I guess she should enjoy it, because I don't think she will be voted anything else this year :biggrin:

[Jelly]

What pic?

I thought the one with the ape and the human was his real personal human self.

[Riddicks]

Panel: Palin abused power in trooper case


ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin abused her power as Alaska's governor by trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from the state police, a state investigator's report concluded Friday.

"Gov. Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda," the report states.


Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan's refusal to fire State Trooper Mike Wooten from the state police force was "likely a contributing factor" to Monegan's July dismissal, but Palin had the authority as governor to fire him, the report by former Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower states.
However, it states that her efforts to get Wooten fired broke a state ethics law that bars public officials from pursuing personal interest through official action.



The bipartisan Legislative Council, which commissioned the investigation after Monegan was fired, unanimously adopted the 263-page public report after a marathon executive session Friday. About 1,000 more pages of documents compiled during the inquiry will remain confidential, the council's chairman, state Sen. Kim Elton, said.


Rep. John Coghill, a Republican who criticized the handling of the investigation, said it was "well-done professionally."
But he said some of the conclusions were judgment calls by Branchflower, and recommended readers should view them with a "jaundiced eye."


Monegan said he was fired after refusing pressure to fire State Trooper Mike Wooten, who had gone through an acrimonious divorce and custody battle with Palin's sister.



Palin (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Sarah_Palin) has repeatedly denied wrongdoing, describing Wooten as a "rogue trooper" who had threatened her family. Wooten denied the allegations.
At a campaign stop Thursday, Palin told reporters that she has "absolutely nothing to hide" in the investigation.


The governor originally agreed to cooperate with the Legislative Council inquiry, and disclosed in August that her advisers had contacted Department of Public Safety officials nearly two dozen times regarding her ex-brother-in-law.



But when she became Sen. John McCain's running mate, her advisers began painting the investigation as a weapon of Democratic partisans.
Ahead of Friday's hearing, Palin supporters wearing clown costumes and carrying balloons denounced the investigation as a "kangaroo court" and a "three-ring circus" led by supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.


The state senator managing the investigation, Sen. Hollis French, fueled those complaints with a September 2 interview in which he warned the inquiry could yield an "October Surprise" for the GOP.
But Palin's lawyers already had begun pushing for the state Personnel Board to launch its own investigation, calling it the proper legal venue for the matter.

We knew she was full of sheet, the biatch had it coming.

[concrete]

The utter incoherence of the McCain movement is descending into an orgy of Krystallnacht anger and racial hatred. There is something both disturbing and hilarious about a crowd of people where the cry to "kill the n*gger" is heard far and wide, calling him a terrorist at the same time. The GOP has become disgusting, a mob being incited by irresponsible talk show nut cases and irresponsible candidates (Palin) who are giving us a view of how they will run this country - with the help of a far right wing mob of violent bully boys. The GOP moves closer and closer to outright Nazism each day. Let's hope that after Nov 5 they don't start shooting people and killing people with bombs that they, of all people, consider "terrorists". Strike a blow against terrorism on Nov 5, and vote for Barack Obama.

[Gordo]

The utter incoherence of the McCain movement is descending into an orgy of Krystallnacht anger and racial hatred. There is something both disturbing and hilarious about a crowd of people where the cry to "kill the n*gger" is heard far and wide, calling him a terrorist at the same time. The GOP has become disgusting, a mob being incited by irresponsible talk show nut cases and irresponsible candidates (Palin) who are giving us a view of how they will run this country - with the help of a far right wing mob of violent bully boys. The GOP moves closer and closer to outright Nazism each day. Let's hope that after Nov 5 they don't start shooting people and killing people with bombs that they, of all people, consider "terrorists". Strike a blow against terrorism on Nov 5, and vote for Barack Obama.


How ironic that you actually are inducing the same 'Kystallnacht anger' when you make such comments.

Lets not forget the class that McCain exhibited toward Obama in the face of the nut case.

[Gordo]

I am still trying to figure this one out. http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/john-stephenson/2008/02/23/will-media-ignore-obamas-terrorist-ties

Can someone here from the left explain this? The leftist news channels dance around it and Fox tells it like the above link. Who is correct?

[Horsefish]

Gordo: I promised myself that I wouldn't wade in here but after thinking about your post for a while I felt that I do have a relevant thought.

It depends upon who gets to write the history doesn't it. The Jews thought that Jesus was a terrorist. The Colonists right before the revolutionary war were terrorists. The demonstrators during the civil rights movement were terrorists. The anti Viet Nam war protesters were terrorists. There is always going to be separate views.

[aiki14]

Gordo: I promised myself that I wouldn't wade in here but after thinking about your post for a while I felt that I do have a relevant thought.

It depends upon who gets to write the history doesn't it. The Jews thought that Jesus was a terrorist. The Colonists right before the revolutionary war were terrorists. The demonstrators during the civil rights movement were terrorists. The anti Viet Nam war protesters were terrorists. There is always going to be separate views.

I am guessing that the Romans might have thought Jesus a terrorist, not the Jews.

[Gordo]

I appreciate the answer Horsefish.

Here is another article from the WSJ. It is economy related. Check it out and let me know what repercussions you think will ensue if Obama is elected (concerning the article).

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122360618747721991-lMyQjAxMDI4MjEzMTYxMDE2Wj.html

[Jelly]

I've noticed that Palin always has white soccer moms on screen behind her and McFruitcake's audience is also all white. Subconsciously, that deletes a huge percentage of potential voters from even thinking about going their way.

Suburban women are leaving her fold and if you think about it, what mom would think she would be doing right by her family if she was so unavailable to them in office. She could hide. She's good at that. But being number one would say to the world: "We are without leadership. Come get what you want."

[Horsefish]

I appreciate the answer Horsefish.

Here is another article from the WSJ. It is economy related. Check it out and let me know what repercussions you think will ensue if Obama is elected (concerning the article).

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122360618747721991-lMyQjAxMDI4MjEzMTYxMDE2Wj.html

Here is what I think:

After 2 years of presidential campaign I know who I will be voting for. I suspect that you also know.
With less than 3 weeks until elections, another article amongst the thousands that are out there on the net isn't going to change my mind.
I think that, next year, the sun will rise in the East and set in the West, I'll probably plant tomatoes, green onions and bell peppers in the garden in the spring. I will also go fishing on the Canadian border about the second week of June.

[BuyOnDips]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU&eurl=http://www.powerlineblog.com/

[concrete]

Looks like one of the Proud Americans Palin talks about:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/concretisttexas/media1.jpg

[concrete]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc

Sarkozy calling...

I nearly passed out at the line where "Sarkozy" told Palin how much he liked the new biographical film about her, "Nailin' Palin" and she, obviously either doesn't know about it or figured his accent was to blame, but basically thanked him for the compliment. What a rutabaga. The guy had a ridiculous comedic French accent, and tried time and again to give himself away with more and more ridiculous schtick. She was completely oblivious. For me, the oddest thing about Palin is her every answer is a cliche...

[Rich]

Remember when Bidden said coal is out, its dirty etc and then tried to back peddle when interviewed about its use? What a F*ing liar that party is.

NOW Obama says he's going to BANKRUPT the coal companies!! WHat a great president this will make! I know a LOT of people, including my wifes relatives that live because of that industry and this jerk thinks he should shut and bankrupt companies over his and Gores THEORIES. A true ass.



CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) -- With only hours before election day, coal has become a major topic of Decision 2008.

Sunday comments surfaced from a taped interview Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama did with the San Francisco Chronicle in January.

In the interview, which has been available online for months, Obama talks about the importance of coal. He went on to talk about his cap and trade proposal to help curb global warming.

"If somebody wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted," Barack Obama said to the San Francisco Chronicle in January.

The campaign for Republican presidential candidate John McCain jumped on those comments today and is already sending out taped phone messages to voters in Ohio.

[aiki14]

Please immediately surf away from this page if you are offended by, as politically incorrect a joke as I have ever heard. Otherwise scroll down

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What is the difference between Sarah Palins mouth and her vagina?

Only some of the things that come out of her vagina are retarded.


I am truly sorry, but I couldn't stop myself.

[concrete]

Far and away the most brutal joke I'd heard in a long time. Almost aristocratic.