South Park

[Will]

I know someone on this board watches South Park. While it may not be relevant to Jim Cramer, what did y'all think of the episode tonight?

I feel betrayed that free speech has become so selective on the show. First insano Tom Cruise gets a show pulled and now they can't show Mohammed because Comedy Central execs are afraid of rioting in the middle east. Gimme a break. This is our country, we should stand for what it was founded upon.

[Leb]

Well although i agree with you about free speech .. i still find that sometimes there's got to be a limit on things.. I am neither christian nor muslim, im druze (dunno if anyone here knows what that is) and I still get offended when I see shows like Family Guy or South Park making fun of God, Jesus, or Mohammed.. More than anything it shows a complete lack of respect for religions that have been around for 100s of years.. It is stuff like this that fuels the athiest movements and other bullshit like that

[Will]

what do druze's believe?

[mlegha1]

Well although i agree with you about free speech .. i still find that sometimes there's got to be a limit on things.. I am neither christian nor muslim, im druze (dunno if anyone here knows what that is) and I still get offended when I see shows like Family Guy or South Park making fun of God, Jesus, or Mohammed.. More than anything it shows a complete lack of respect for religions that have been around for 100s of years.. It is stuff like this that fuels the athiest movements and other bullshit like that
I agree Free Speech is good and all but you gotta watch out when your actions or words can offend someone or insult someone.We might not agree with the way some people see things but you gotta respect their views.Most of us have hardly been out of our home countyr or at the most to Canada or Mexico.There is a whole world out there with different people , different beliefs , and different values. To get some respect you gotta give some respect.

[wallnut]

WTF is druze??

[wallnut]

can you guys legally take LSD ????
Or do you wrestle rattlers?? :p lol

[aiki14]

Well although i agree with you about free speech .. i still find that sometimes there's got to be a limit on things.. I am neither christian nor muslim, im druze (dunno if anyone here knows what that is) and I still get offended when I see shows like Family Guy or South Park making fun of God, Jesus, or Mohammed.. More than anything it shows a complete lack of respect for religions that have been around for 100s of years.. It is stuff like this that fuels the athiest movements and other bullshit like that

WAAH WAAH
Sorry you're all offended. I wouldn't normally comment on this since my opinion on religion is it's unnecessary, but your comment on athiest movements brought to mind an article from Harpers from a while back which I paraphrase below:

"When the theologian governed the world, it was covered with huts and hovels
for the many, palaces and cathedrals for the few ... The poor were clad in
rags and skins -- they devoured crusts, and gnawed bones. The day of Science
dawned, and ... There is more value in the brain of an average man of today
-- of a master-mechanic, of a chemist, of a naturalist, of an inventor, than
there was in the brain of the world four hundred years ago.
These blessings did not fall from the skies. These benefits did not drop
from the outstretched hands of priests. They were not found in cathedrals or
behind altars -- neither were they searched for with holy candles. They were
not discovered by the closed eyes of prayer, nor did they come in answer to
superstitious application. They are the children of freedom, the gifts of
reason, observation and experience -- and for all them, man is indebted to
man.
Amen."

[istrokedmine]

when it comes to t.v. and the radio, i think anything should be fine to air. i really havent found anything that i have seen on t.v., that had ever bothered me.

Guess what one of the coolest features that are on the t.v and radio. (not many americans know about it because they are ALWAYS complaining about what is on t.v.- this thread is another perfect example) they have a channel up and down button!!!

i would suggest in situations like this one where your hands are getting sweatty and your heat begins to race because you cant believe what you are hearing or seeing, that you change the damn channel.

please remember- freedom of speach NOT freedom to be stupid and wine like a beyotch.


i am just sick of america cattering to all the needs of the ones who just want to complain about every little damn thing(but would also NEVER join a service branch to fight for america)

[dawgs-1978]

when it comes to t.v. and the radio, i think anything should be fine to air. i really havent found anything that i have seen on t.v., that had ever bothered me.

Guess what one of the coolest features that are on the t.v and radio. (not many americans know about it because they are ALWAYS complaining about what is on t.v.- this thread is another perfect example) they have a channel up and down button!!!

i would suggest in situations like this one where your hands are getting sweatty and your heat begins to race because you cant believe what you are hearing or seeing, that you change the damn channel.

please remember- freedom of speach NOT freedom to be stupid and wine like a beyotch.


i am just sick of america cattering to all the needs of the ones who just want to complain about every little damn thing(but would also NEVER join a service branch to fight for america)


Graet post. Couldn't agree more. if you didn't say it i was going to have to.

[InvestingMoron]

Chappelle's Show shouldn't be on the air. Imagine the uproar if a White man had a show like that.

Cynthia McKinney: "Dat beez waaaaaaaaaacizum!"

[moneyman]

I don't want to start a holy war here since it is a $ site, but leave athiests alone. I am a scientist and can not believe in something that is backed with any evidence. Religion in my humble opinion is and has been the cause of most of the major problems in the world. Enough said, now back to Ameritrade. Good luck all.

[Leb]

Society will keep deterriorating as long as people continue to brush religion aside.. The whole Family Unit in society is held together by religion and not science.. The whole idea that the Earth and all of its life originated from tiny molecules coming together after the Big Bang is absurd... Im not saying that everything in the Bible or Koran about the origins of life makes sense either BUT I definitely believe in God (furthermore, believing in God gives you a sense of meaning to your life.. Id rather feel like I was meant to be on this earth rather than seeing myself as simply part of the randomness of science)

does anyone on this site agree with me? or am I the only non-athiest one here?

[BigSlick]

I feel betrayed that free speech has become so selective on the show. First insano Tom Cruise gets a show pulled and now they can't show Mohammed because Comedy Central execs are afraid of rioting in the middle east. Gimme a break. This is our country, we should stand for what it was founded upon.

The not showing of Mohammed wasn't Comedy Central, it was Matt & Trey. That was a big F-U to the network for not standing behind one of the biggest shows that has carried that network year to year. Yeah sure, CC has a few other funny shows, but they crash and burn after a season or two. South Park is great at serving up topical humor, and quickly.

South Park doesn't target anyone. They lampoon everyone equally. Well that is until now. Watch as the rest of this seasons shows are scrapped and it becomes a soap box for them to take on the situation.

The really messed up thing is that there is actual audio of Issac on the Opie & Anthony show talking about how he didn't have a problem with Matt & Trey making fun of Scientology. Then he just ups and changes gears? I doubt it.

What I'm sick and tired of is people forgetting what made this country what it is. Now it seems that everyone is too afraid to even say what is on their minds for fear of what will happen. Forget that, I tell it how it is and keep it real. That's just how I roll.

That and I hate Ryan Seacrest!

[Leb]

I like how everyone likes to say "free speech is what our country was built on".. well when the founding fathers came up with that right im pretty sure they didnt want it to mean - Go and BASH religion..If someone back then made fun of Christ I dont think they wouldve let him use Free Speech as his defence..

[BigSlick]

I like how everyone likes to say "free speech is what our country was built on".. well when the founding fathers came up with that right im pretty sure they didnt want it to mean - Go and BASH religion..If someone back then made fun of Christ I dont think they wouldve let him use Free Speech as his defence..

With free speech, it is all or none.

To start being selective about what you can have free speech with and what you can't leads to even bigger problems. The point is that under free speech, everyone can express their opinion. That also means that people can disagree with each other about topics. The founding fathers gave us this right because they left a place where exactly what you are saying was happening to them. If you didn't agree with the party line, you were pretty much done.

[bludevil007]

I like how everyone likes to say "free speech is what our country was built on".. well when the founding fathers came up with that right im pretty sure they didnt want it to mean - Go and BASH religion..If someone back then made fun of Christ I dont think they wouldve let him use Free Speech as his defence..

you know, there's a lot of uneducated atheist-bashing going on. are you one of those people who disputes evolution and thinks creationism should be taught as a science? You honestly think that people shouldnt be able to use their free speech against religion? You say "why not?" and I say "why?" You say, "i believe there is a god, but i cant prove it," and i say "i dont believe there is a god and i cant prove it either." What's the difference? Its just as likely that i'm right as it is that you are. And furthermore, if it really came down to it, i could tell you - here's a theory with a preponderance of scientific evidence that says we evolved from apes, and all you could do was point to a story in the bible - a story that most people believe was most important for its moral, and not for its historical accuracy.

and secondly, these "founding fathers' you refer to were the same people who enslaved africans and kept their women barefoot, pregnant, and holding a mop. if it wasnt for the bill of rights, and more importantly, freedom of religion (and non-religion) and freedom of speech, this country would be NOTHING.

[Gonz]

If someone back then made fun of Christ I dont think they wouldve let him use Free Speech as his defence..

A defense against what? The founders made it pretty clear that religious opinions of any stripe could, should, and would remain legal.

I don't want to start a holy war here since it is a $ site, but leave athiests alone. I am a scientist and can not believe in something that is backed with any evidence. Religion in my humble opinion is and has been the cause of most of the major problems in the world. Enough said, now back to Ameritrade. Good luck all.

Unless you're the type of Christian (or whatever else you might be) who believes the earth came into being 10,000 years ago, that man was molded from clay, and that dinosaur bones are God's little way of testing our faith (and there are people out there who believe that), then science and religion are not at all at odds with one another...and any scientist or person of faith who thinks so really isn't paying attention to what the other side is up to.

Read all about it. (http://www.science-spirit.org/printerfriendly.php?article_id=559)

Science tells us how the heavens go, not why.

[Leb]

There are so many countries in Europe, like Greece for example, that have a democracy and free speech yet you'd never find their papers or shows making fun of Christ or God.. It's called respect.. and this is something that American society lacks.. Respect for religion , respect for elders, respect for leaders.. one of the reasons why people live so long in Japan is because in their society as you get older you are deemed more wise and are treated with more respect.. In the US people who hit 60 feel like **** because their society glorifies the young and throws the old aside.. Just look at your classrooms.. the amount of disrespect you find from kids at such a small age is disappointing.. trading respect for FULL OUT free speech wont help the US ..

[forbes9000]

I had to register just to say SUCK IT UP

I think religion is a crock but thats not to say I don't believe in some sort of higher power. After 12 years of Catholic Education I realize that religion is a way to control people. Hence organized religion's general resistance to free speech. ( Pope on Davinci Code and Harry Potter and Muslims and Jerry Falwell on absurdist cartoons) But come on if the Pope doesn't even realize that manatee isn't a fish and lets Guatemalans eat it on Fridays in lent, its because he doesn't want them to start looking elsewhere for leadership.

I've listened to Pollock jokes my whole life, are they accurate? Copernicus might have a thing to say about that, of course they are not! Do I get upset, of course not. Its the same with hate crimes, is it really so much worse that someone is killed by a racist; compared to some sadistic serial killer; or because they wanted your new shoes? Of course not. Its funny there are opponents to free speech on the far right and the far left. Makes you pretty sure its gotta be the best thing then!

There isn't a little free speech, it either is or it isn't and if you don't like it change the channel or click another site or if you really would rather not have the freedom America affords the by all means MOVE! Only by sifting through the good, bad, and the ugly can we decide for ourselves what is right, wrong, and imbecilic! And while yes we have gotten more rude, the imbecilic jyhadists have trumped a bit of rudness, no? So bring it on! And if people are more rude, others are insanely hypersensitive. Just because someone cracks a joke about you, your race or religion DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE BEING OPPRESSED!!!!! If they haven't slapped you in chains, tortured you or at least taken away your rights MOVE ON!

[forbes9000]

Oh and BTW its not clear whether Isaac Hayes did quit or the Scientologists hijacked his carrer and issued a press release for him when he suffered a stroke in Jan.

http://www.wwtdd.com/index.php?type=cat&name=more%20South%20Park

Get well Chef!

[ChronicDDL]

More than anything it shows a complete lack of respect for religions that have been around for 100s of years.. It is stuff like this that fuels the athiest movements and other bullshit like that

The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support, nothing more & nothing less.

[BigSlick]

Oh and BTW its not clear whether Isaac Hayes did quit or the Scientologists hijacked his carrer and issued a press release for him when he suffered a stroke in Jan.

http://www.wwtdd.com/index.php?type=cat&name=more%20South%20Park

Get well Chef!

Isaac Hayes was on the Opie & Anthony Show in December last year and openly said that he had no problem with the way Matt and Trey handled the Scientology episode. You can listen to the clip here:
http://www.foundrymusic.com/braincandy/displaymedia.cfm/id/11342

[Mr. Spliff]

i believe in god (or wtvr u want to call it) for sure... and he is me (or at least inside me).

if u want to pick and choose what stuff we are "free" to express in this country, no offense, but go bury your head in some sand.

[Gonz]

if u want to pick and choose what stuff we are "free" to express in this country, no offense, but go bury your head in some sand.

Ah, yes, but freedom of expression includes the freedom to express the fact that others should not be allowed to express themselves freely.

(My brain hurts.)

[Leb]

Ah, yes, but freedom of expression includes the freedom to express the fact that others should not be allowed to express themselves freely.

(My brain hurts.)

hehe good response

[Mr. Spliff]

Ah, yes, but freedom of expression includes the freedom to express the fact that others should not be allowed to express themselves freely.

I completely agree... express away.

[ChronicDDL]

I missed part 2 last night of the South Park episode that we are chatting about on this thread, its coming on again in a couple minutes and I can’t wait; what a great show!

[wallnut]

I love mind of mancina or mancinia or some beener crap :lol:
I hope im not the only one who got that!!

[stockviper]

That depends on what "WHAT" means?

[forbes9000]

Ah, yes, but freedom of expression includes the freedom to express the fact that others should not be allowed to express themselves freely.

(My brain hurts.)

Express yes, but take action to restrict my rights (pass laws, censor me, impede me) and I am hauling your a$$ into court and be thankful if that's all I do!

[Will]

The not showing of Mohammed wasn't Comedy Central, it was Matt & Trey. That was a big F-U to the network for not standing behind one of the biggest shows that has carried that network year to year.

I complained to the network that I didn't enjoy the censorship. I know it won't do any good, but they replied today.
Straight from the Horse's mouth:

Dear Viewer,

Thank you for your correspondence regarding the "South Park" episodes
entitled "Cartoon Wars." We appreciate your concerns about censorship
and the destructive influence of outside groups on the media,
entertainment industry and particularly Comedy Central.

To reiterate, as satirists, we believe that it is our First Amendment
right to poke fun at any and all people, groups, organizations and
religions and we will continue to defend that right. Our goal is to
make people laugh and perhaps, if we're lucky, even make them think in
the process.

Comedy Central's belief in the First Amendment has not wavered, despite
our decision not to air an image of Muhammad. Our decision was made not
to mute the voices of Trey and Matt or because we value one religion
over any other. This decision was based solely on concern for public
safety in light of recent world events.

With the power of freedom of speech and expression also comes the
obligation to use that power in a responsible way. Much as we wish it
weren't the case, times have changed and, as witnessed by the intense
and deadly reaction to the publication of the Danish cartoons, decisions
cannot be made in a vacuum without considering what impact they may have
on innocent individuals around the globe.

It was with this in mind we decided not to air the image of Muhammad, a
decision similar to that made by virtually every single media outlet
across the country earlier this year when they each determined that it
was not prudent or in the interest of safety to reproduce the
controversial Danish cartoons. Injuries occurred and lives were lost in
the riots set off by the original publication of these cartoons. The
American media made a decision then, as we did now, not to put the
safety and well being of the public at risk, here or abroad.

As a viewer of "South Park," you know that over the course of ten
seasons and almost 150 episodes the series has addressed all types of
sensitive, hot-button issues, religious and political, and has done so
with Comedy Central's full support in every instance, including this
one. "Cartoon Wars" contained a very important message, one that Trey
and Matt felt strongly about, as did we at the network, which is why we
gave them carte blanche in every facet but one: we would not broadcast a
portrayal of Muhammad.

In that regard, did we censor the show? Yes, we did. But if you hold
Comedy Central's 15-year track record up against any other network out
there, you'll find that we afford our talent the most creative freedom
and provide a nurturing atmosphere that challenges them to be bold and
daring and places them in a position to constantly break barriers and
push the envelope. The result has been some of the most provocative
television ever produced.

We would like nothing more than to be able to look back at this in a few
years and think that perhaps we overreacted. Unfortunately, to have
made a different decision and to look back and see that we completely
underestimated the damage that resulted was a risk we were not willing
to take.

Our pledge to you, our loyal viewers, is that Comedy Central will
continue to produce and provide the best comedy available and we will
continue to push it right to the edge, using and defending the First
Amendment in the most responsible way we know how.

Sincerely,
Comedy Central Viewer Services

[Gonz]

Whoops, wrong thread.

[Mr. Spliff]

I complained to the network that I didn't enjoy the censorship. I know it won't do any good, but they replied today.

you are my hero man.. if i werent so lazy this is exactly the type of thing i would do all the time (but especially in this case). The sad and ironic thing is that the "parents for the censorship of their children who they dont have enough time to watch themselves," (the PCTCWTDHETWT for those of ya'll in the know) are generally the ones who do take the time to do this kind of thing and therefore are the ones whose voice ends up being heard.. if more people who felt like you and me werent so lazy (well, like me i guess) a lot of stuff might not suck so much. Dont feel like what you did, did not do any good.. if nothing else u have inspired me to at least step up and voice my opinion to the suits at Comedy Central for this one particular issue... even if i know i am going to recieve the same cookie cutter response that you got (actually, i think i'm going to work that into my email, haha).. Anyways, good sheit man.

thats also pretty funny, now we know that matt and trey were shiiting on exactly what comedy centrals excuse for not airing the image was (fear of violence, etc).... those dudes are prety much geniuses.

[Will]

Here's the email address:
viewerservices@comedycentral.com

and here's the link I used:
http://www.comedycentral.com/help/questionsCC.jhtml

[SWFseeksM4LTR]

Ah yes, freedom of speech. Check this out:

http://www.geocities.com/chefgate/

Even Katie Holmes signed it! LOL!

:lol:

[tekbubble]

Matt & Trey Sneek Image of Muhammad Into Censored South Park

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Southparkseason10opening.png

It turns out there has beed an image of Muhammad in the opening credits of South Park all season long.

[Leb]

WOW dont remember such an uproar as this one when Family Guy's Episode: Wish Upon a Weinstein was banned from being shown on tv.. hmm seems funny how the rules change with different religions