A Honest Question...Really.

[Survivor]

I seem to be missing something on who is controlling the US. It's not Bush as you might of thought. I am baffled by the collapse housing market that turned around and pushed commodity prices through the roof. It seems to the average person that the general public is eating the bill again- for that overpriced real estate market as investors who lost money selling mortages turn and screw everybody trying to recoup the losses in commodity futures. A Brilliant Plan? I know the greedy should have got that money for the stimulas package and that is what sparked this mess. The Fed lowers interest rates and it poured right into the oil market,wheat,corn,the usual, Bush is powerless against investors driving up the oil futures,even OPEC told him to get bent.can that idiot declare war on opec?,no,we need fuel to kill people in other countries. So what is the solution to this problem? Why are investors killing the Dollar and the Economy?.do they only love this country when you can make money? The economy will collapse due to the overpricing of fuel,and other goods. No vacations or travel plans,hotels and motels,the auto industry,you name it from the ripple down effects- we are trapped at home in front of the TV as prices are out of control,and being taxed to death. If our dollar is crap driving up prices is making it worse. Greed destroys a nation,story at eleven...

[Horsefish]

No vacations or travel plans,hotels and motels,the auto industry,you name it from the ripple down effects- we are trapped at home in front of the TV as prices are out of control..[/QUOTE]

MMMMM.........I think I'll buy some advertising stocks!

[piggybank]

Excessive greed of of a certain American minority of people is largly responsible for this mess.

But Bush got a heavy hand in it to, his Iraq war slammed an large deficit and debt.

You should become more energy independant, it will help.

Bush should stop subsidizing oil. More subsidies for renewables. But forget about bio-ethanol, it's driving up food prices.

I FEAR the rise of prices in food, IMO it's very very dangerous, more dangerous than other economic problems ATM. Whole empires have fallen on rising food prices. The Roman empire largly fell on it, due to the fact that their rich imported to much luxury goods from the east (silk from China etc.) , to much money flowed out of the empire, to few into it. America is exporting it's dollars atm, you need more exports, less imports. Innovation is youre strenght, you have some of the best brains in the world, try to grow in innovative industry's. Genetics, robotic, renewables etc.

[Survivor]

No vacations or travel plans,hotels and motels,the auto industry,you name it from the ripple down effects- we are trapped at home in front of the TV as prices are out of control..

MMMMM.........I think I'll buy some advertising stocks![/QUOTE] :dito: Budwiser. Baseball season is around the corner.

[Survivor]

Excessive greed of of a certain American minority of people is largly responsible for this mess.

But Bush got a heavy hand in it to, his Iraq war slammed an large deficit and debt.

You should become more energy independant, it will help.

Bush should stop subsidizing oil. More subsidies for renewables. But forget about bio-ethanol, it's driving up food prices.

I FEAR the rise of prices in food, IMO it's very very dangerous, more dangerous than other economic problems ATM. Whole empires have fallen on rising food prices. The Roman empire largly fell on it, due to the fact that their rich imported to much luxury goods from the east (silk from China etc.) , to much money flowed out of the empire, to few into it. America is exporting it's dollars atm, you need more exports, less imports. Innovation is youre strenght, you have some of the best brains in the world, try to grow in innovative industry's. Genetics, robotic, renewables etc. Excellent insight Piggybank. Were trapped for energy dependence, Raised on the internal combustion engine is what helped to build roads,traffic jams,and a nation, now they are trying to take that from you.There is no substitute for a V-8 engine smooth power and dependable.Burning food for fuel is political to keep the crybabies fooled. With our manufacturing gone to cheaper countries you lose innovation in the US and that is the back bone of a nation.There is nothing built here in the US except huge Deficits. It's tough to find a true American product it's all China,Japan and Mexico. It's about the love of money. Take what you can get- look out for number one but dont step in number two. Bush has got our country bankrupt without a doubt. How can you profit from mistakes. One person cannot change or reverse the mistakes that are made.Your voice maybe heard and is ignored. Nobody has the Balls to stand up and say were not going to take this s**t no more. If you can earn enough money to pay bills and have some stashed That is all you need,being able to take care of your home and family. Your whole life is spent working for money and trying to defend your earnings against leagal crooks,IRS,and big goverment and state taxes.They screw you out of your money when they cant balance a budget and you are forced to make do with less,they dont take a pay cut or beneifit cut or give up holiday pay,or pay their own health insurance, but you are forced to. If you can balance your own budget why in the hell cant they do it?.So far it looks like the stock market controls the world and OPEC. Investors are pissed they didnt get the money for the housing market crumble instead Bush is sending it out in the form of a stimulas package,That in turn has put commoditys thru the roof. OPEC ? I'm not a oil rich Sheik so I dont know how good it feels to watch Idiots fight over the price of a barrel of oil while I build my Castle on a Island. Someday maybe...I heard that there is some kind of Intelletual group of cutting edge assholes trying to ruin our country financially,selling us out,driving up the cost of goods and stripping our homeland for all the money they can get. Find out who and take them apart, were drained already.

[BuyOnDips]

Maybe world oil production has peaked. That would be scary.

http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/Minnesota%20State%20of%20Representatives.pdf

[piggybank]

IMO were already at peak oil, producers just don't admit it yet. Sure there is new oil that is being exploited, but there is fewer of that than our old well's drying up.

[RayRay180]

not that it is going to lower prices...but I work for a refiner in nw indiana and they are one of a few refineries that are in the midsts of modifications to refine oil sands from Canada...if you're not familiar there are MASSIVE oil deposits that is very easy to access but it saturated in sand. They've known about this forever, just now that the margins are so high it makes worth refining.....

not sure if worth this thread, thought I'd throw it out there..

[piggybank]

not that it is going to lower prices...but I work for a refiner in nw indiana and they are one of a few refineries that are in the midsts of modifications to refine oil sands from Canada...if you're not familiar there are MASSIVE oil deposits that is very easy to access but it saturated in sand. They've known about this forever, just now that the margins are so high it makes worth refining.....

not sure if worth this thread, thought I'd throw it out there..

True, but it's already calculated in for a part. I think most of us know the canadian oil sands. How much it costs to make the refining projects interresting. How some company's are already established ones in that field like Suncor, wich is an advisable buy on the long term. But even with their help where still at 105$ oil atm.

It's hard to get a correct view on the whole oil producing market, you can read buyondips featured pdf as ex. it's just not accuratly reported how much oil is produced and still can be produced per day.

But it's also worth to be very skepitical about pundit's saying it will go down. They have been wrong all to many times, and they still usually come up with the same arguments as they did before. The long term trend of oil is up withought much doubt.

But oil is not the only energy commodity going up. Coal i going up to. Quite strongly to. And it makes a substantial part of the cheap electricity production. At this rate wind and solar will reach market parity faster than they inntitally projected trough their own technological advancement, as when other energy commodity's go up the historical more expensive price to kwh of renewables move's closer than to others. And while uranium is now going down in price it's still a multiple above its 2004 value, and it might as well go up again, but then again putting up new nuclear plants is a big investment at once, and you might still need to import it.

With this happening, i see demand for wind and solar power even increasing more, simply because they are getting closer to price parity with their competitor's. They are still such a very small segment of energy production, that i don't see demand decreasing now. Analysts are talking of oversupply for solar in 2008, but installed kwh for solar is so small that even a relativly small change in the energy market towards renewables could make a very big impact. All of the US presidential candidate's atm have taken energy independancy in their program, so are all the EU top politician doing.

But one could expect that the boom for renewables would be massive if it reaches price parity before expectations. and expectations have not been to conservative with energy commodity's.

And green energy has much advantage's. It's enviromental, not that ill speculate how much this is an incentive for renewables atm. , but when price parity with coal is achieved it won't be a difficult choice to make between the 2 with this in mind. It can also employ a lot of people and be a big industry. And solar is made out of sand, yes i know that is far from the whole story, but still .. their primary production imput is staggeringly plentifull on earth, so is sun rays afcourse. Eletrical car technoligy is technicly already available, it wouldn't be that hard to put it in fair production in a relativly short to medium term, and technicly solar thin film systems exist that could be put upon a car, battery technoligy is good enough to put it to a fair distance. Europe has a very extensive train system (much more than USA, wich relies more on air travel domesticly over fair distance's) and the majority of our rail infrastructure is electrified, although they usually run on diesel in the winter and electricity trough the rest of the year, trains transportation can be mainly run on cheap electricity. Ships have more than enough surface area and travel time, so they might have an advantage with cheap solar installations upon their decks to in the long run, if engines can be created that can push that size of cart.

But maybe certain forces within our economy's are not to keen on seeing renewables gain market share. Don't yell conspiracy theorist to fast, i leave the option open myself, but there are precedents of renewable company's being limited in growth by groups that have this or that simply rediculous issue with it. Makes sense to, if i was an Arab oil sjeik i'd rather sell my oil at 120$ than 60$, it allows for more "buying power".

[RayRay180]

True, but it's already calculated in for a part. I think most of us know the canadian oil sands. How much it costs to make the refining projects interresting. How some company's are already established ones in that field like Suncor, wich is an advisable buy on the long term. But even with their help where still at 105$ oil atm.

It's hard to get a correct view on the whole oil producing market, you can read buyondips featured pdf as ex. it's just not accuratly reported how much oil is produced and still can be produced per day.

But it's also worth to be very skepitical about pundit's saying it will go down. They have been wrong all to many times, and they still usually come up with the same arguments as they did before. The long term trend of oil is up withought much doubt.

But oil is not the only energy commodity going up. Coal i going up to. Quite strongly to. And it makes a substantial part of the cheap electricity production. At this rate wind and solar will reach market parity faster than they inntitally projected trough their own technological advancement, as when other energy commodity's go up the historical more expensive price to kwh of renewables move's closer than to others. And while uranium is now going down in price it's still a multiple above its 2004 value, and it might as well go up again, but then again putting up new nuclear plants is a big investment at once, and you might still need to import it.

With this happening, i see demand for wind and solar power even increasing more, simply because they are getting closer to price parity with their competitor's. They are still such a very small segment of energy production, that i don't see demand decreasing now. Analysts are talking of oversupply for solar in 2008, but installed kwh for solar is so small that even a relativly small change in the energy market towards renewables could make a very big impact. All of the US presidential candidate's atm have taken energy independancy in their program, so are all the EU top politician doing.

But one could expect that the boom for renewables would be massive if it reaches price parity before expectations. and expectations have not been to conservative with energy commodity's.

And green energy has much advantage's. It's enviromental, not that ill speculate how much this is an incentive for renewables atm. , but when price parity with coal is achieved it won't be a difficult choice to make between the 2 with this in mind. It can also employ a lot of people and be a big industry. And solar is made out of sand, yes i know that is far from the whole story, but still .. their primary production imput is staggeringly plentifull on earth, so is sun rays afcourse. Eletrical car technoligy is technicly already available, it wouldn't be that hard to put it in fair production in a relativly short to medium term, and technicly solar thin film systems exist that could be put upon a car, battery technoligy is good enough to put it to a fair distance. Europe has a very extensive train system (much more than USA, wich relies more on air travel domesticly over fair distance's) and the majority of our rail infrastructure is electrified, although they usually run on diesel in the winter and electricity trough the rest of the year, trains transportation can be mainly run on cheap electricity. Ships have more than enough surface area and travel time, so they might have an advantage with cheap solar installations upon their decks to in the long run, if engines can be created that can push that size of cart.

But maybe certain forces within our economy's are not to keen on seeing renewables gain market share. Don't yell conspiracy theorist to fast, i leave the option open myself, but there are precedents of renewable company's being limited in growth by groups that have this or that simply rediculous issue with it. Makes sense to, if i was an Arab oil sjeik i'd rather sell my oil at 120$ than 60$, it allows for more "buying power".


As far as coal.....I have a great deal of experience in the coal/pet coke field. Coal is always competing with the price of natural gas, so as coal continues to go up (due to demand as well as massive eq. investments by RR's to keep up) natural gas is a good investment option as well....

[piggybank]

As far as coal.....I have a great deal of experience in the coal/pet coke field. Coal is always competing with the price of natural gas, so as coal continues to go up (due to demand as well as massive eq. investments by RR's to keep up) natural gas is a good investment option as well....

Wich is one of the reasons why i hold share's in gas as well, for ex norway's Statoilhydro. Gas prices might go up to due to increased LPG use for transportation as a gap bridge.