MaryKay1965 gives you DoublingStocks' daily picks submitted by "Marl"

[MaryKay1965]

I decided to take the advice from microhedge and start a new thread devoted exclusively to the daily picks that Marl (DoublingStocks) suggests. In case you have not read my first post, please take the time and go back to read it and you should fully understand why I joined OnlineTradersForum and what my "hidden agenda" is:twisted:

As stated in my first post, I will post the stock recommendations,daily, given out by Marl - The stock picking robot from DoublingStocks. And guess what? I will even post them BEFORE the market opens !!! so that everyone can make an educated decision for themselves. I am in no way endorsing "Marl" or D.S., and I am definately not recommending whether you should buy or not buy any stock picks that I post here. Just providing some interesting data to those who may want to take the time to take a look at this thread.

FRIDAY 01-11-08 (originally given to you at 3:00 A.M.- refer to my first post)
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (ITI) Iteris, Inc.

[AJLightning]

I decided to take the advice from microhedge and start a new thread devoted exclusively to the daily picks that Marl (DoublingStocks) suggests. In case you have not read my first post, please take the time and go back to read it and you should fully understand why I joined OnlineTradersForum and what my "hidden agenda" is:twisted:

As stated in my first post, I will post the stock recommendations,daily, given out by Marl - The stock picking robot from DoublingStocks. And guess what? I will even post them BEFORE the market opens !!! so that everyone can make an educated decision for themselves. I am in no way endorsing "Marl" or D.S., and I am definately not recommending whether you should buy or not buy any stock picks that I post here. Just providing some interesting data to those who may want to take the time to take a look at this thread.

FRIDAY 01-11-08 (originally given to you at 3:00 A.M.- refer to my first post)
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (ITI) Iteris, Inc.




LMFAO...a new thread? Your kidding right? :roll::roll:

[aiki14]

I decided to take the advice from microhedge and start a new thread devoted exclusively to the daily picks that Marl (DoublingStocks) suggests. In case you have not read my first post, please take the time and go back to read it and you should fully understand why I joined OnlineTradersForum and what my "hidden agenda" is:twisted:

As stated in my first post, I will post the stock recommendations,daily, given out by Marl - The stock picking robot from DoublingStocks. And guess what? I will even post them BEFORE the market opens !!! so that everyone can make an educated decision for themselves. I am in no way endorsing "Marl" or D.S., and I am definately not recommending whether you should buy or not buy any stock picks that I post here. Just providing some interesting data to those who may want to take the time to take a look at this thread.

FRIDAY 01-11-08 (originally given to you at 3:00 A.M.- refer to my first post)
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (ITI) Iteris, Inc.

Do they recommend buy at open?

[MaryKay1965]

Do they recommend buy at open?

No, they do not offer any type of buying suggestions. The program simply offers it's stock pick without any references made to Limit Orders vs. Market Orders, Stop Losses, Trailing Stops, etc.

I guess if you decide to purchase their recommendations, you're entirely on your own when it comes to entry and exit points. Hope this helpful.:)

[Thierry Martin]

I assumed that the stocks went up on volume because of the promotions in the newsletters, interesting that volume was low. Is anybody actually buying stocks from this program? Are the picks the same for everybody?

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[coolguyme]

MarkKay1965,

Even though the gurus in this forum are doubtful of your efforts, am here to say that you have my full support. I would like to thank you for starting this thread. I registered in this forum only to respond to your thread. (Hmm..that makes me a newbie too and reduces my credibility. But am not here to prove something to someone).

Just like many others, I came across DS banner during my browsing and google search led me to this forum. I wanted to follow a few of their picks before I invest real money in DS picks. Your thread makes my testing period free of charge (instead of having to worry about membership, refunds etc). Let me know if I can be of some help to you.

How often does DS give stock picks? One per day or more per day or once in few days?

[coolguyme]

Sorry, read it as MaryKay1965...little typo..

[printboy63]

MarkKay1965,

Even though the gurus in this forum are doubtful of your efforts, am here to say that you have my full support. I would like to thank you for starting this thread. I registered in this forum only to respond to your thread. (Hmm..that makes me a newbie too and reduces my credibility. But am not here to prove something to someone).

Just like many others, I came across DS banner during my browsing and google search led me to this forum. I wanted to follow a few of their picks before I invest real money in DS picks. Your thread makes my testing period free of charge (instead of having to worry about membership, refunds etc). Let me know if I can be of some help to you.

How often does DS give stock picks? One per day or more per day or once in few days?


Duhhh... It's only down 5.44%? Where do I sign up???
Baaaaahhh :roll:

[Thierry Martin]

Duhhh... It's only down 5.44%? Where do I sign up???
Baaaaahhh :roll:

I think we need to evaluate something like this, as doubtful as we may be, over a few days or even longer to make any judgements. If the stock had gone up 5.44% today, would you be endorsing the program?

[printboy63]

You're right, guess I've been a bit biased from all the previous discussions.

[aiki14]

I think we need to evaluate something like this, as doubtful as we may be, over a few days or even longer to make any judgements. If the stock had gone up 5.44% today, would you be endorsing the program?

True, it was a down day and in the interest of fairness we need to give it more time. However remember the premise of these guys tout, that you can have a small stake and make big bucks. If you bought ITI today and they make a pick over the weekend for monday you would have to sell your ITI at the loss, or add to your initial capital to play it. So it's double your risk exposure, or begin with a 5.44% deficit to make up plus 2 commissions on the first trade and the buy in commission on the second.

What if you owned the stock before they touted it? I wanted to see if these guys would have profited by touting this stock. The answer appears to be not this time, volume never came in on the upside (OBV was flat or downtrending all day).
If I was holding this from before today and was unscrupulous, I would really tout this from this level. Unless one is holding from prior to 24 oct it's likely to be a losing position, and if I could get my minions to bid it up that's what I would attempt.
Looking at this stock from a fundamental and technical perspective I don't see any good reason to buy it. On a 1 day and 3 day 3min chart or on a 100day daily there are no technical indicators that meet my criteria. Of course I am not a robot or a computer genius, so you do your own DD.

[microhedge]

LMFAO...a new thread? Your kidding right? :roll::roll:

Apparently my sarcasm was misunderstood8O

Well, third time is a charm as they say... Hey didn't some idiot named microhedge start a thread about Doubling Stocks Let's Decide Together?

Oh well, whatever happened to that guy anyway?

Well somebody needs to tell him that Thierry is now posting comments and not just charts... way to go Thierry:wink:

[Thierry Martin]

Well somebody needs to tell him that Thierry is now posting comments and not just charts... way to go Thierry:wink:

Now I don't know if you're being sarcastic!

[aiki14]

Now I don't know if you're being sarcastic!

Me either but I just fell out of my chair when I saw your avatar

[netwrangler]

Me either but I just fell out of my chair when I saw your avatarI think there has been a coup.

The present 'Thierry' is an imposter. The real Thierry has been put in shackles, is being fed gruel made from spam, and is being forced to run all the back-ups for the server farm.

All of us on the OTF need to take up the cry, "Free Thierry Martin!"

[Thierry Martin]

....and is being forced to run all the back-ups for the server farm.

It's funny you said that netwrangler because our automated FTP back-up server is down so I have to do the back-ups manually (and I hate that!)

[netwrangler]

It's funny you said that netwrangler because our automated FTP back-up server is down so I have to do the back-ups manually (and I hate that!)Been there and done that, Thierry.

BTW: Congratulations on being able to get a message out when your captors weren't paying attention. ;)

[Thierry Martin]

According to this blog comment, the stock that MARL spits out is the same one that is recommended in the newsletter they send out a day or two later, so if that is true, MARL is offering advance information on the stock they tout in their newsletter. And if the newsletter pick is a pump and dump, then that makes the advance buyers rich at the expense of the newsletter subscribers.

In that case we should see MaryKay1965's postings of the MARL picks actually go up on huge volume once they hit the newsletter.

"Well I suspect the only people making any money are the ones with Marl who have figured out to run the daytime before the newsletter."
http://skeltoac.com/2007/11/27/marl-the-stock-robot-scam/#comment-1483

[MaryKay1965]

Duhhh... It's only down 5.44%? Where do I sign up???
Baaaaahhh :roll:

In all fairness to D.S., I have to ask you this question. Take a look at the email that was sent to me on Monday, 01-07-2008 @ 9:58 A.M. and tell me how you think this recommendation performed. Just some food for thought. ;)

From:
To:

Michael <XXXXXXXXXXX@googlemail.com>
Joey Blowe <XXXXXXXXXXX@nc.rr.com>

Priority
Normal

Subject: Date: Monday, January 7, 2008 9:58 AM

Doubling Stocks ...First Pick of 2008 Size: 11 KB

Joey,

Company: ID GLOBAL CORP
Ticker: IDGJ.PK (Pink Sheets)
Yahoo Finance: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=IDGJ.PK
Company Websites: http://www.idglobalcorp.com/
http://www.idforensix.com/

Finally with the Christmas period over, this week Marl found
a number of stocks with strong technicals. I sifted through the
list and a certain stock caught my eye.

But first I need to explain, about two technologies this firm
owns (FORENSICS™ & Na no-Molecular Markers™).

Each year $800 billion is lost in the manufacturing industry
due to counterfeiting of goods. With clothing companies
(for example) investing billions in building their brand and
recognition... it has became a lucrative market for foreign firms
to produce counterfeits.

... Which essentially “piggy back” on the millions of dollars every
clothing firm spends on marketing their brand and intellectual property.

Almost every firm, whom have a recognizable brand providing
consumer products suffers this. Police sunglasses, Rolex watches,
Dior perfume... You've most likely seen all of these counterfeits
when on vacation.

And these firms (Dior, Rolex etc) loose huge amounts of money,
in lost business due to cheaper alternatives, but more importantly
the “cheapening”of the brand they spent so much building.

What I've just explained is obviously a huge problem. A problem
which drains billions of dollars from corporate giants. And in my
analysis of this problem, it became plain to see that any company
whom manages to solve this worldwide problem could almost...

Write Their Own PAYCHECK!

And this realization, was the first factor that made me look closely
at IDGJ.pk

Secondly, almost all of the same firms have another problem.

Large, high end clothing companies such as Gucci and Chanel, all
ship billions of dollars worth of merchandise each year.

Via Shipping port to port across international waters, via thousands of
truck loads across countries... And each year hundreds of these truck loads
go missing.

Whether its apparel, auto parts, aviation parts, pharmaceuticals, foot ware,
electrical circuit breakers that are literally counterfeited, it all amounts to
billions of dollars in theft and loss.

And again, I think my analysis is more than conservative that any
firm who manage to come up with a viable solution to this would be
rewarded handsomely.

This second realization, made me sit up and look real close at this
company ID Global (IDGJ.pk)

And here's why:

ID Global's first development was Nano-Molecular Markers™.

Imagine if when these companies are manufacturing their clothing
they could pass it by a machine which would impregnate the clothing
with an invisible (to the human eye) marker.

A marker which with one swipe of a handheld scanner, provides a 100%
verifiable answer as to a products authenticity in a matter of seconds.

Shipments of counterfeit goods, could therefore be scanned as procedure
at each port. Or country officials can use them to scan batches of products.
In order to quickly find counterfeits.

Thus ensuring there is absolutely no way, any firm could produce
and ship counterfeit goods.

And best of all, these “Nano Markers” can easily be applied to product
runs into the hundreds of millions of units at a cost of a fraction of
a penny per unit.

And don't forget this technology does not just apply to clothing, as in
my example. It applies to literally every company in the world whom
produce goods sporting a recognizable brand.

... And as I'll explain in a moment, I have reason to believe this technology
is about to be picked up by thousands of major firms in this sector.

Potentially forcing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, into this
tiny penny stock company.

Alongside these markers are the second “product” this company developed,
IDFORENSIX™...

The IDFORENSIX™ product is a system that forensically marks valuable
corporate assets. For example, laptop computers are one of the most common
assets stolen from companies by their employees or insiders.

When the IDFORENSIX system is applied, multiple layers of asset protection
are actually applied. These layers include an invisible mark that cannot be
seen or removed except by IDGlobal’s specially designed miniature handheld
illumination device that when held over the IDFORENSIX mark, shows the
tag on that item.

There is also an IDFORENSIX label that visually tells employees that the item
is marked and can be identified and prosecution actioned if stolen … and perhaps
the most influential aspect of the IDFORENSIX system is the Employee
Education Program.

The Employee Education Program notifies all employees that the company has
implemented the IDFORENSIX program and has the ability to unequivocally
identify and prosecute situations of theft. When employees are aware that the
companies assets are protected, theft is reduced dramatically.

IDGLOBALS’s IDFORENSIX products provide a psychological as well as
a physical barrier to theft and these “Nano technologies” that furnish the
manufacturing corporations with irrefutable evidence for successful
prosecution in instances of theft.

... But What Really Makes this Stock Great:

ID Global is currently a “development stage company”. Hundreds of investors
have invested when the company was simply planning these two almost
miraculous products.

And these investors, whom invested at up to $1 have bore the brunt of the risk
involved in this particular company. Their money was at stake, when ID Global
was nothing but an idea.

Right now, ID Global is emerging from its state of “Development”. The company
is presenting its technology to a number of S&P 500 companies.

Already, in a short space of time, ID Global has gained a client base of
household names including:

Canadian Standards Association (www.csa-international.org)
Hockey Canada
NHLPA
Exxon Mobile
Atomic Energy of Canada

And are expecting positive action of proposals from:

Major auto manufacturers, cell phone manufacturers, electrical manufacturers
and luxury apparel and handbag manufactures

In Short ID Global are...

Over the “Hump”!

Investors whom gave this company a chance, when it was still in
development stages have provided a great opportunity.

Smarter investors can now swoop in, and invest in a company
whom are now over the risky development stages and ready to
start reaping the rewards.

These noble investors have taken 99% of the risk for us. But better yet...

We can get in a better price!

This stock has traded at prices as high as $2.00. But now at an almost,
all time low of $0.10 the company is massively undervalued.

The market has still not yet re-valued the true worth of this company now
that it is emerging from the development stage.

Best Regards,
Michael Cohen


Global Marketing Corporation
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[MaryKay1965]

MarkKay1965,

Even though the gurus in this forum are doubtful of your efforts, am here to say that you have my full support. I would like to thank you for starting this thread. I registered in this forum only to respond to your thread. (Hmm..that makes me a newbie too and reduces my credibility. But am not here to prove something to someone).

Just like many others, I came across DS banner during my browsing and google search led me to this forum. I wanted to follow a few of their picks before I invest real money in DS picks. Your thread makes my testing period free of charge (instead of having to worry about membership, refunds etc). Let me know if I can be of some help to you.

How often does DS give stock picks? One per day or more per day or once in few days?

Can't give you a honest answer, yet. I have only had access to Marl for a couple of days now. But, as I said I will run a daily "run" and see if there are any changes. In fact, I just ran the program right now and this is their latest stock pick:

Saturday, 01-12-08 11:50 P.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (CTCH) Commtouch Software, Ltd.

[MaryKay1965]

I think we need to evaluate something like this, as doubtful as we may be, over a few days or even longer to make any judgements. If the stock had gone up 5.44% today, would you be endorsing the program?

I was thinking the exact same thing, that why's I posted proof of an email, dated and stamped, sent to me by the D.S. guys this past Monday morning. Plenty of time to get in before the chart went North. :lol:

[MaryKay1965]

According to this blog comment, the stock that MARL spits out is the same one that is recommended in the newsletter they send out a day or two later, so if that is true, MARL is offering advance information on the stock they tout in their newsletter. And if the newsletter pick is a pump and dump, then that makes the advance buyers rich at the expense of the newsletter subscribers.

In that case we should see MaryKay1965's postings of the MARL picks actually go up on huge volume once they hit the newsletter.

"Well I suspect the only people making any money are the ones with Marl who have figured out to run the daytime before the newsletter."
http://skeltoac.com/2007/11/27/marl-the-stock-robot-scam/#comment-1483

That was my theory too, Thierry. So, for now I am simply paper trading the results. If, I happen to see a pattern emerging, I may choose to put real money on the line. Of course, I'm not betting the farm by any means, maybe a couple hundred bucks here and there, with stop losses in place in case the PPS's go South. ;)

[Thierry Martin]

That was my theory too, Thierry. So, for now I am simply paper trading the results. If, I happen to see a pattern emerging, I may choose to put real money on the line. Of course, I'm not betting the farm by any means, maybe a couple hundred bucks here and there, with stop losses in place in case the PPS's go South. ;)

I am confused about something, are you posting the email recommendations or the picks that MARL spits out? It is my understanding that those are two different services. You are also subscribed to the newsletter? I thought you had bought the software on eBay.

[Thierry Martin]

In all fairness to D.S., I have to ask you this question. Take a look at the email that was sent to me on Monday, 01-07-2008 @ 9:58 A.M. and tell me how you think this recommendation performed. Just some food for thought. ;)

From:
To:

Michael <XXXXXXXXXXX@googlemail.com>
Joey Blowe <XXXXXXX@nc.rr.com>



Is that for real - Joey Blowe? As in Joe Blow? Sorry, don't mean to be disrespectful, just seems odd.

[aiki14]

I was thinking the exact same thing, that why's I posted proof of an email, dated and stamped, sent to me by the D.S. guys this past Monday morning. Plenty of time to get in before the chart went North. :lol:

Actually what you posted was evidence, and of questionable worth. We have no way of knowing you didn't just type that, put the date up and say your piece. What it appears to be is an e-mail to Joe Blow in the russian republic from a free email address, like all the reputable companies use.
I would suggest continuing to post their picks, when they post them, so we have the ability to judge the performance ourselves.
Unfortunately I have seen this movie before, and here's how it goes. The picks posted in the fashion I describe go south, then spurious "proof" of prior triumphs appear, usually any, even the tiniest upside is claimed to be a "monster" win for their clients ( though unsupported by stock volume or even the actual tape), then they disappear with the clients money and a handful of criminal charges, then they reappear as some other entity.
My guess is you'll see this Tom, or Alex, or whatever he calls himself on a late night infomercial selling diet products. And the same sad wretches will be sending him their money with dreams of being rich models and actresses.

[MaryKay1965]

I am confused about something, are you posting the email recommendations or the picks that MARL spits out? It is my understanding that those are two different services. You are also subscribed to the newsletter? I thought you had bought the software on eBay.

Yes, I am subscribed to the D.S. newsletter/email that normally comes out on Sunday nite or first thing Monday morning. I only posted an email I received because of the comment made by printboy63. When he made a comment of the stock pick going down, I thought it was only fair to show him a stock pick that D.S. recommended that went up over 200% in a matter of a few days.

However, Thierry, as stated in my first post, I have received numerous picks in the D.S. newsletter/email that have made significant gains and I wanted to get the Marl software and see if the same type of results can be achieved using Marl. And yes, I did purchase the software on eBay for $50. So, in fairness to this "expirement" , from now only I will only post the results of Marl, so they will not get confused with the D.S. newsletter/email. :D

[MaryKay1965]

Actually what you posted was evidence, and of questionable worth. We have no way of knowing you didn't just type that, put the date up and say your piece. What it appears to be is an e-mail to Joe Blow in the russian republic from a free email address, like all the reputable companies use.
I would suggest continuing to post their picks, when they post them, so we have the ability to judge the performance ourselves.
Unfortunately I have seen this movie before, and here's how it goes. The picks posted in the fashion I describe go south, then spurious "proof" of prior triumphs appear, usually any, even the tiniest upside is claimed to be a "monster" win for their clients ( though unsupported by stock volume or even the actual tape), then they disappear with the clients money and a handful of criminal charges, then they reappear as some other entity.
My guess is you'll see this Tom, or Alex, or whatever he calls himself on a late night infomercial selling diet products. And the same sad wretches will be sending him their money with dreams of being rich models and actresses.

O.K., here we go. I will try to "justify" or "disprove" all of your above conclusions/accusations.

1.) First of all, my email address that ends with nc.rr.com, stands for North Carolina, RoadRunner.com. Yes, I am a U.S. citizen and I live in North Carolina. I guess if you don't really believe that I can send you my phone number, you can look it up, conclude that it is a North Carolina area code, BTW we have 3 of them, 919,252,910. But then again, I could find out all of the above info on the internet, get a disposable cell phone, have the number trunked/transferred to the U.K., Russia, Bosnia, Africa, the Moon, Mars, Saturn, Pluto (wait, the scientist said that's no longer a planet, so that one doesn't count), etc, etc, etc, I think you get the point. ;)

2.) Now, about the name: Joey Blowe. Yes, you're right on the money on that one. It is a fake name I made up to subscribe to the D.S. newsletter/email service. It is a variation of Joe Blow. Here is the exact processs I used to sign up. I went to my local grocery store, Food Lion, and purchased a prepaid $50 VISA card. When I registered the card online, I gave fake name/address for the sole purpose of making a subscription to D.S. So........if these guys are scammers, they do not have my real name, real address, and the only financial ties they have for me are a prepaid, disposable C.C. (with a $0 balance) that was thrown away a long time ago. ;)

Now, that I have "proven" myself to a total stranger, maybe we can continue the expirement with the stock picks from Marl......BTW, I could have altered the date/time stamp on the email I posted, but I didn't . Hell, I could have wrote the whole email, as suggested by you, LOL, but I didn't. But, I guess you got me on that one, cause the only way to prove that one is to pack up my laptop, send it to you, let you open it, get into my email account, look in my saved emails, verify it with your own eyes, etc,etc,etc, .........I think you get my point. ;););)

Again, Aiki14, for the second time, It's the things you learn after you know it all that really count. ;)

[MaryKay1965]

Is that for real - Joey Blowe? As in Joe Blow? Sorry, don't mean to be disrespectful, just seems odd.
Thierry, please read post #27 ,in this thread, for an explanation of the name "Joey Blowe".

[MaryKay1965]

Just ran the Marl software on Sunday, 01-13-08, it picked the same one as late last night.

Sunday, 01-13-08 10:05 A.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (CTCH) Commtouch Software, Ltd.

[aiki14]

O.K., here we go. I will try to "justify" or "disprove" all of your above conclusions/accusations.

1.) First of all, my email address that ends with nc.rr.com, stands for North Carolina, RoadRunner.com. Yes, I am a U.S. citizen and I live in North Carolina. I guess if you don't really believe that I can send you my phone number, you can look it up, conclude that it is a North Carolina area code, BTW we have 3 of them, 919,252,910. But then again, I could find out all of the above info on the internet, get a disposable cell phone, have the number trunked/transferred to the U.K., Russia, Bosnia, Africa, the Moon, Mars, Saturn, Pluto (wait, the scientist said that's no longer a planet, so that one doesn't count), etc, etc, etc, I think you get the point. ;)

2.) Now, about the name: Joey Blowe. Yes, you're right on the money on that one. It is a fake name I made up to subscribe to the D.S. newsletter/email service. It is a variation of Joe Blow. Here is the exact processs I used to sign up. I went to my local grocery store, Food Lion, and purchased a prepaid $50 VISA card. When I registered the card online, I gave fake name/address for the sole purpose of making a subscription to D.S. So........if these guys are scammers, they do not have my real name, real address, and the only financial ties they have for me are a prepaid, disposable C.C. (with a $0 balance) that was thrown away a long time ago. ;)

Now, that I have "proven" myself to a total stranger, maybe we can continue the expirement with the stock picks from Marl......BTW, I could have altered the date/time stamp on the email I posted, but I didn't . Hell, I could have wrote the whole email, as suggested by you, LOL, but I didn't. But, I guess you got me on that one, cause the only way to prove that one is to pack up my laptop, send it to you, let you open it, get into my email account, look in my saved emails, verify it with your own eyes, etc,etc,etc, .........I think you get my point. ;););)

Again, Aiki14, for the second time, It's the things you learn after you know it all that really count. ;)

You have proven nothing. Again see the difference between proof and evidence.

I'll take your word for 1 and 2 since they are not relevant to the original premise, except to reiterate the fact that real, reliable companies and their employees do not use untracable, free, email accounts. When I email my Merrill Lynch guy he responds with hisname@ML.com. Can you not see this is a bit suspect?
As to the third, as you say you could have written the whole thing so that is meaningless. If you really want to prove the value of this program or newsletter or whatever it is, continue posting the picks prior to the open and let the world see their value. So far we have 1 pick of dubious value in ITI. But it is a statistically insignificant sample, so no conclusions should be drawn yet based upon it.

Can you also not see the pile of evidence against these guys? News reports, previous history of name changes and different businesses, free email, untraceable locations, etc? You begin with this hanging over your position.
I have been in the market for 25 yrs, and seen this sort of thing literally hundreds of times, where are the experienced investors flocking to your side on this? Surely someone with time on the street should be on your side?
Goldman gives multi million dollar bonuses to folks who can come up with reliable trading systems, how long do you think they would let these guys get away before offering them sick money if they were legit?

The nonsense about what you learn after you know everything is funny, I'll give it all the consideration it's due when I am having a Mai Tai at my house in Spreckelsville, which I earned by not buying into stock picking tout sheets promoted by unscrupulous hucksters.

If you want proof of my credentials go here
http://family.webshots.com/photo/2509553590043462274qpCQYv
That's me sitting on my beach on Maui. Take a look around at the other pics as well, I earned all that stuff, all those trips, by NOT buying into BS. Hard work, many hours of research, time on the street. The easy way DOES NOT EXIST, nobody gives you a dime unless you pay a quarter for it.
For free I'll give you the secret, ready? Study, research, learn, lose sleep, eat peanut butter and jelly, whatever it takes to save the money, and then either give it to a professional like Ken Heebner or Bob Doll, or bring your own "A" game to the market and compete.

My instinct tells me not to waste my time with you, but I was mentored by someone, and as repayment of his help to me I will continue to rail against these scams in the hope that someone capable of understanding will avoid the scams and the "easy way" and knuckle down and do it the "only way"

[Jelly]

I eat peanut butter and jelly sammiches each and every morning. About 0500 hrs.

* Comment on this thread: Seems like pump and dump with the number of subscribers in play. That, all by itself, is reason to run away.

[MaryKay1965]

You have proven nothing. Again see the difference between proof and evidence.

I'll take your word for 1 and 2 since they are not relevant to the original premise, except to reiterate the fact that real, reliable companies and their employees do not use untracable, free, email accounts. When I email my Merrill Lynch guy he responds with hisname@ML.com. Can you not see this is a bit suspect?
As to the third, as you say you could have written the whole thing so that is meaningless. If you really want to prove the value of this program or newsletter or whatever it is, continue posting the picks prior to the open and let the world see their value. So far we have 1 pick of dubious value in ITI. But it is a statistically insignificant sample, so no conclusions should be drawn yet based upon it.

Can you also not see the pile of evidence against these guys? News reports, previous history of name changes and different businesses, free email, untraceable locations, etc? You begin with this hanging over your position.
I have been in the market for 25 yrs, and seen this sort of thing literally hundreds of times, where are the experienced investors flocking to your side on this? Surely someone with time on the street should be on your side?
Goldman gives multi million dollar bonuses to folks who can come up with reliable trading systems, how long do you think they would let these guys get away before offering them sick money if they were legit?

The nonsense about what you learn after you know everything is funny, I'll give it all the consideration it's due when I am having a Mai Tai at my house in Spreckelsville, which I earned by not buying into stock picking tout sheets promoted by unscrupulous hucksters.

If you want proof of my credentials go here
http://family.webshots.com/photo/2509553590043462274qpCQYv
That's me sitting on my beach on Maui. Take a look around at the other pics as well, I earned all that stuff, all those trips, by NOT buying into BS. Hard work, many hours of research, time on the street. The easy way DOES NOT EXIST, nobody gives you a dime unless you pay a quarter for it.
For free I'll give you the secret, ready? Study, research, learn, lose sleep, eat peanut butter and jelly, whatever it takes to save the money, and then either give it to a professional like Ken Heebner or Bob Doll, or bring your own "A" game to the market and compete.

My instinct tells me not to waste my time with you, but I was mentored by someone, and as repayment of his help to me I will continue to rail against these scams in the hope that someone capable of understanding will avoid the scams and the "easy way" and knuckle down and do it the "only way"

Wow, I just looked at a picture of man sitting in a chair on a beach claiming this proves to the world he knows it all and he is the ultimate financial guru. Probably second or third on the list right under Warren Buffet. What does this prove to me, absolutely nothing.....For all I know, that could or could not be you, it could be a pic you downloaded off the internet to claim to the world it is you. If you are filthy rich, lead a rich and fullfilling life, have a trophy wife, etc.....good for you. Do I know if you made your millions in the stock market?....NO....Do I really care?.....NO.....For all I know, you may have been born with a silver spoon or won the lottery or whatever. The point is: I DON'T CARE!!! My only problem is that you accuse me of writing a bogus email, which by the way is very, very long with lots of technical "stuff" in there that I couldn't really come up with if I tried to, along with putting a fake date/time stamp, as well as finding a penny stock that magically seemed to gain over 200% in a couple of days. You also made the assumption that the R.R. in my email ending in nc.rr.com stood for Russian Republic. Well guess what, you were wrong. I pay for my cable T.V. and high speed internet service from my local Time Warner Cable company in N.C.... hence the name nc.rr.com (North Carolina Road Runner.com) You even went as far as sending an email to the account listed on the D.S. letter that I posted. Well, I just gave you a reply, so please read it. I guess this was another attempt to prove to the world you know everything.

Now, for the final time, I have no interest in the stock picks given by Marl. I just was interested in posting them in a public forum before the market opened because I thought that was what kthomllc was going to do, but it seems like he is too sporatic with his listing or seems to post picks after the market opens. As I stated, I have plenty of time to devote to this, and unless something major happens to stop me, I will continue with my "experiment." As for the "seasoned" stock gurus, I wouldn't expect them to "be on my side," because no one with any kind of any financial credibility would invest in penny stocks for long term. It's like playing Russian Roulette with your money. Playing the pennies is ONLY good for short term plays, and chances are there will be more losers than winners. That's a well known fact, at least I hope it is, especially to the newbies. So, now that I have vented my feelings towards you Aiki14, will you not bother me anymore as to who I am, where I live, what my motives are, etc. and just let me continue to give daily stock picks and see, over time, what the results are. I guess this is my truce offering to you.....are you man enough to step up to the plate? Have a great day, Aiki14 :D:D:D:D

[aiki14]

Aiki14, will you not bother me anymore as to who I am, where I live, what my motives are, etc. and just let me continue to give daily stock picks and see, over time, what the results are. I guess this is my truce offering to you.....are you man enough to step up to the plate? Have a great day, Aiki14 :D:D:D:D

Sure thing :D

2472

[AJLightning]

Wow, I just looked at a picture of man sitting in a chair on a beach claiming this proves to the world he knows it all and he is the ultimate financial guru. Probably second or third on the list right under Warren Buffet. What does this prove to me, absolutely nothing.....For all I know, that could or could not be you, it could be a pic you downloaded off the internet to claim to the world it is you. If you are filthy rich, lead a rich and fullfilling life, have a trophy wife, etc.....good for you. Do I know if you made your millions in the stock market?....NO....Do I really care?.....NO.....For all I know, you may have been born with a silver spoon or won the lottery or whatever. The point is: I DON'T CARE!!! My only problem is that you accuse me of writing a bogus email, which by the way is very, very long with lots of technical "stuff" in there that I couldn't really come up with if I tried to, along with putting a fake date/time stamp, as well as finding a penny stock that magically seemed to gain over 200% in a couple of days. You also made the assumption that the R.R. in my email ending in nc.rr.com stood for Russian Republic. Well guess what, you were wrong. I pay for my cable T.V. and high speed internet service from my local Time Warner Cable company in N.C.... hence the name nc.rr.com (North Carolina Road Runner.com) You even went as far as sending an email to the account listed on the D.S. letter that I posted. Well, I just gave you a reply, so please read it. I guess this was another attempt to prove to the world you know everything.

Now, for the final time, I have no interest in the stock picks given by Marl. I just was interested in posting them in a public forum before the market opened because I thought that was what kthomllc was going to do, but it seems like he is too sporatic with his listing or seems to post picks after the market opens. As I stated, I have plenty of time to devote to this, and unless something major happens to stop me, I will continue with my "experiment." As for the "seasoned" stock gurus, I wouldn't expect them to "be on my side," because no one with any kind of any financial credibility would invest in penny stocks for long term. It's like playing Russian Roulette with your money. Playing the pennies is ONLY good for short term plays, and chances are there will be more losers than winners. That's a well known fact, at least I hope it is, especially to the newbies. So, now that I have vented my feelings towards you Aiki14, will you not bother me anymore as to who I am, where I live, what my motives are, etc. and just let me continue to give daily stock picks and see, over time, what the results are. I guess this is my truce offering to you.....are you man enough to step up to the plate? Have a great day, Aiki14 :D:D:D:D



Whats in it for you?

[MaryKay1965]

Just did another run on the Marl software to see if anything changed. No chances. It is still putting out the same pick. If anything changes from now until 9:30 A.M EST, I will post the new results, if not you can just assume this is the newest pick from Marl. :D

Sunday, 01-13-08 7:45 P.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (CTCH) Commtouch Software, Ltd.

[netwrangler]

Well, golly.

Aiki and MaryKay are in a truce. MaryKay, in another thread, has graciously apologized for giving me "last but not least" billing as a basher. Sounds like the OTF is much too quiet. :sleep:

I guess it's my turn to stir things up.

It is impossible, imo, for a member of the OTF to establish the 'value' [or lack thereof] of a stock-picking service — be it a newsletter, email alert, or software. Let me clarify — I'm not saying it is impossible for OTF members to come their own conclusion about such a service. What's impossible is 'proving' the 'truth' of that conclusion to other members.

In my view, anything short of an audit of the service by an independent accounting firm falls short of 'proof'. Indeed, for former stockholders of Enron and the like, even audits didn't do the job — at least not in time; but an audit would work for me.

Well, that's not going to happen. So we can't really 'prove' anything. All we can do is discuss. Nothing wrong with that — this is a discussion forum after all.

But...

Every time we post to a thread dealing with a stock picking service, we help that service. We improve the Google rank of that service. Every post is viewed by 'lurkers' who are far more numerous than posting members. Since nothing can be proven [see above], some of the lurkers will gravitate toward the service.

Some posts work more in favor of the services than others. When MaryKay uses a large font to post a pick from an 'AI' service, this large font — in its original and 'quoted' form, acts like a billboard for the service.

In another thread, I said
Of course paid stock-picking services are scams.

I worry about folks who steadfastly defend these services.

Are they in league with the scams?
Are they just naive?

Well, I guess it's possible to be both.

I'd like to modify that post.

It isn't necessary to be a 'steadfast defender' of these services to be a poster in this thread.
But if you do post to this thread, what are you?
The 'modified' choices are:

in league with the service
duped by the service
a fool
So, with this revised set of choices, how do I measure up?

I know I'm not 'in league';
Looks like, because I posted to this thread, I'm a dupe;
I hope I'm not a fool.

I'm sure I'll get feedback on that subject.
:|

BTW: I don't plan on posting in the Penny Stocks area again. I figure every post, not matter how brilliant, helps the bad guys.

[Thierry Martin]

Well, golly.

Aiki and MaryKay are in a truce. MaryKay, in another thread, has graciously apologized for giving me "last but not least" billing as a basher. Sounds like the OTF is much too quiet. :sleep:

I guess it's my turn to stir things up.

It is impossible, imo, for a member of the OTF to establish the 'value' [or lack thereof] of a stock-picking service — be it a newsletter, email alert, or software. Let me clarify — I'm not saying it is impossible for OTF members to come their own conclusion about such a service. What's impossible is 'proving' the 'truth' of that conclusion to other members.

In my view, anything short of an audit of the service by an independent accounting firm falls short of 'proof'. Indeed, for former stockholders of Enron and the like, even audits didn't do the job — at least not in time; but an audit would work for me.

Well, that's not going to happen. So we can't really 'prove' anything. All we can do is discuss. Nothing wrong with that — this is a discussion forum after all.

But...

Every time we post to a thread dealing with a stock picking service, we help that service. We improve the Google rank of that service. Every post is viewed by 'lurkers' who are far more numerous than posting members. Since nothing can be proven [see above], some of the lurkers will gravitate toward the service.

Some posts work more in favor of the services than others. When MaryKay uses a large font to post a pick from an 'AI' service, this large font — in its original and 'quoted' form, acts like a billboard for the service.

In another thread, I said


I'd like to modify that post.

It isn't necessary to be a 'steadfast defender' of these services to be a poster in this thread.
But if you do post to this thread, what are you?
The 'modified' choices are:

in league with the service
duped by the service
a fool
So, with this revised set of choices, how do I measure up?

I know I'm not 'in league';
Looks like, because I posted to this thread, I'm a dupe;
I hope I'm not a fool.

I'm sure I'll get feedback on that subject.
:|

BTW: I don't plan on posting in the Penny Stocks area again. I figure every post, not matter how brilliant, helps the bad guys.

If what you are saying was true, why do you think I have gotten emails from the owners or DoublingStocks.com asking me to delete the threads here because they are causing buyers to ask for refunds?

[aiki14]

Just did another run on the Marl software to see if anything changed. No chances. It is still putting out the same pick. If anything changes from now until 9:30 A.M EST, I will post the new results, if not you can just assume this is the newest pick from Marl. :D

Sunday, 01-13-08 7:45 P.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (CTCH) Commtouch Software, Ltd.

Symbol Changed to CTCHD due to the reverse split (1 for 3). Volume has been around 50k for the last 16 sessions.

[aiki14]

If what you are saying was true, why do you think I have gotten emails from the owners or DoublingStocks.com asking me to delete the threads here because they are causing buyers to ask for refunds?

Awesome, Thierry, I was going to agree with Net, I never post in this damn section anyway except to rag on the scams and the scammers. Now I will continue to post anything and everything I can find good or bad about them. What do you think that ratio will be. By the way I sent an e-mail to the michael cohen character in marykays "proof" email just to see if it was rejected and got this:

Hello,

I apologise but please send your support requests to
the support desk: www.support.doublingstocks.com

Or send to: office@doublingstocks.com

Our support staff are better equipped to deal with your queries.

Best Regards
Michael

In her defense Marykay also responded to the same inquiry, so at least the email address she posted is valid. And she reaffirms how she really feels about me. Again in her defense she sent it prior to our truce.
My only motive is to prevent new investors from getting scammed, I am not selling anything, nor do I have a dog in the race.

--
Please do not respond to this email, send your questions to:
office@doublingstocks.com

[MaryKay1965]

Symbol Changed to CTCHD due to the reverse split (1 for 3). Volume has been around 50k for the last 16 sessions.

Akia14, I noticed this too when I was looking at the charts for this stock. However, the way I presented it was the exact way it was presented to me after Marl's analysis. That's the reason it was not altered in any way. I figured the best thing to do was quote the exact stock symbol, without any variations. :D

[MaryKay1965]

Awesome, Thierry, I was going to agree with Net, I never post in this damn section anyway except to rag on the scams and the scammers. Now I will continue to post anything and everything I can find good or bad about them. What do you think that ratio will be. By the way I sent an e-mail to the michael cohen character in marykays "proof" email just to see if it was rejected and got this:

Hello,

I apologise but please send your support requests to
the support desk: www.support.doublingstocks.com

Or send to: office@doublingstocks.com

Our support staff are better equipped to deal with your queries.

Best Regards
Michael

In her defense Marykay also responded to the same inquiry, so at least the email address she posted is valid. And she reaffirms how she really feels about me. Again in her defense she sent it prior to our truce.
My only motive is to prevent new investors from getting scammed, I am not selling anything, nor do I have a dog in the race.

--
Please do not respond to this email, send your questions to:
office@doublingstocks.com

Aiki14, no biggie here, but just for the record I am a male, 41, the only reason I chose the name MaryKay1965 was at the time it seemed to make sense. It refers to my wife that sells MaryKay cosmetics (part-time) (aka: extra gas money) and was born in 1965. Go figure. Anyway you're right, that email I wrote to you was before our truce. So, with that being said, let's see from now on if this "Marl" seems to be of any value at all. Only time will tell. :D

[Thierry Martin]

Aiki14, no biggie here, but just for the record I am a male, 41, the only reason I chose the name MaryKay1965 was at the time it seemed to make sense. It refers to my wife that sells MaryKay cosmetics (part-time) (aka: extra gas money) and was born in 1965. Go figure. Anyway you're right, that email I wrote to you was before our truce. So, with that being said, let's see from now on if this "Marl" seems to be of any value at all. Only time will tell. :D

Every time this thread seem to go back on track, somebody throws it for another loop. Now we have a transexual element to deal with?
:elefant:

[aiki14]

Man these guys are real pro's at this affiliate marketing scheme, if you google there name you get hundreds of hits of testimonial sites all running the same couple paragraphs of how wonderful they are. Everything comes back to wealthymarketer.com out of the UK. They have really gone all out to hide their tracks, and to make you believe it's useful.

Here's a good piece
http://www.oneworldincome.com/2007/12/02/stock-trading-“robot”-an-online-marketer’s-scam-exposed/

a snippet from that piece:

Feel free to use the service if you truly believe an online marketer that is promoting a rewrite of a Poker program can help you make better stock investments. Before you do that, I recommend you looking up “PokerBobby Scam” on Google. Unfortunately, since they are located in the UK, the U.S. SEC may have little or no jurisdictions. However, if there are investors in the UK using this service, I am sure it will be dealt with there.

Can you trust what the marketer is selling based on what you read on both sites? Does a Michael exist and did he ever worked for Goldman Sachs? Is the truth really an elaborate scheme and a lot of smoke being piped by a marketer? You be the judge.

[MaryKay1965]

Every time this thread seem to go back on track, somebody throws it for another loop. Now we have a transexual element to deal with?
:elefant:

Arghhhhhhhhh..........Transexual kangaroo........Tell it like it is, brotha!!!!;)

[aiki14]

Aiki14, ... let's see from now on if this "Marl" seems to be of any value at all. Only time will tell. :D

So do you want to keep a running spreadsheet on the picks? So far we have
ITI from 1/11/08 Opened at 3.43
Now we have CTCH(D) for 1/14/08 and we'll see where that opens

Since you indicated they don't offer any advice as to when to actually buy other than their website which says the price move usually occurs within 23 minutes of open, I would say their recommendation is for previous close or next open. Since it will be easier, if you agree we will use open price for the day after you post the pick.

[MaryKay1965]

So do you want to keep a running spreadsheet on the picks? So far we have
ITI from 1/11/08 Opened at 3.43
Now we have CTCH(D) for 1/14/08 and we'll see where that opens

Since you indicated they don't offer any advice as to when to actually buy other than their website which says the price move usually occurs within 23 minutes of open, I would say their recommendation is for previous close or next open. Since it will be easier, if you agree we will use open price for the day after you post the pick.

That is very similar to what I am doing. In my Zecco account, I have set up a watchlist with the D.S. and Marl stock picks. In this particular watchlist, I am able to plug in the stock pick, the date bought, shares bought, PPS. I try to fill in this data criteria with an actual dollar amount, so that it would be realistic, if I was to trade based on Marl's picks. (But, as stated before, I have not traded any picks based solely on Marl, only paper trading at this point.) The watchlist also gives you very good details stats such as percentage of total gains/losses as well as daily gains/losses. As far as the price for the stock, I don't necessarly choose the opening price. I simply go to my Level II platform and pick a price that I think I could have realistically bought a share for and enter that price as my "buy" price.

[MaryKay1965]

Decided to give Marl one more run before going to bed. This time it gave me a different stock pick. So, here it is:

Monday, 01-14-08 12:30 A.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (FA) Fairchild Corp.

[aiki14]

Decided to give Marl one more run before going to bed. This time it gave me a different stock pick. So, here it is:

Monday, 01-14-08 12:30 A.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (FA) Fairchild Corp.

Wow, that stock had a total volume of 1300 shares on friday, $3354.

So we have ITI@ 3.43
CTCHD and FA to open today

Interesting that this thing would pick such low volume stocks. They are the easiest to manipulate. Less than $60,000 in total average daily volume. Fridays volume of 1300 shares is $3354 total traded.

[MaryKay1965]

Just ran Marl. Same pick as earlier this morning.

Monday, 01-14-08 9:10 A.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (FA) Fairchild Corp.

[AJLightning]

Just ran Marl. Same pick as earlier this morning.

Monday, 01-14-08 9:10 A.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (FA) Fairchild Corp.



WOW...FA up 6.59% on 16.8k shares today!!! :rock: on MARL, rock on!

[aiki14]

So here is what we have so far
Marl has bestowed upon us carbon units 3 stocks
ITI which we got on 1/11 @ 3.43 Last trade today at 3.13 down 8.75%
FA which we got on 1/14 @ 2.60 Last trade today at 2.75 up 6.59%
CTCHD also today 1/14 @ 5.46 Last trade today at 5.44 down 1.38%

As previously noted FA only traded 16,800 shares.

Any Comments from the OP?

[microhedge]

I am still amazed that we now have 51 entries on a 3rd Doubling Stocks thread?!?!?!?!?

I believe I posted enough in Thierry's thread and my own thread to stay away from this 3rd circus... Have Fun Boyz!

Hey DoublingStocks.com and Mr. Michael... :thefinger:

[aiki14]

I am still amazed that we now have 51 entries on a 3rd Doubling Stocks thread?!?!?!?!?

I believe I posted enough in Thierry's thread and my own thread to stay away from this 3rd circus... Have Fun Boyz!

Hey DoublingStocks.com and Mr. Michael... :thefinger:

Hey Micro, you back from Skiing?
I had stayed away for a long time, but this group is an order of magnitude more organized than any pump and dump scam I have seen thus far. They are an affiliate marketing organization with a lot of time to plant info. They have such unbelievable saturation the search engines are overwhelmed, they have set up literally hundreds of spurious "Stock" websites. If you google "stock doubler is a scam" or "Marl Scam" you'll get 100 hits back to their websites. All based on a few servers in the UK. It might take 25 looks to find a real site with any negative info. The followers of these guys are not going to get any unbiased info and their target is folks who simply are not sophisticated enough to see through it. When this house of cards falls it's going to leave a serious trail of broken wreckage. The only thing that might work against them is if we really do get a bear market the rubes will wake up a little sooner. Unfortunately they are targeting people who will put their 1 or 2 thousand in and get hammered and disappear. Again they are professional marketeers, and they are polished in their methodology and their targeting.

[microhedge]

Yup, I'm back (for now:biggrin:) and surfin the forum. Skiing was amazing!!!

These guys (doublingstocks.com) truly have laid the largest sprawl of sites I have ever seen in a stock picking scam! I have surfed and googled every angle on these guys and it is as you say Aiki, they have every avenue covered... it is mind boggling!

At least these threads will shine some light on this hideous scam.

I'll see you in the a.m. chat.

(Thierry you have become an enabler to my well-known smilie addiction by adding hoardes of new ones, I blame you for my imminent downfall into posts laden with nonsensical smilies... I'm feeling :sheep:ish)

[Thierry Martin]

Hey Micro, you back from Skiing?
I had stayed away for a long time, but this group is an order of magnitude more organized than any pump and dump scam I have seen thus far. They are an affiliate marketing organization with a lot of time to plant info. They have such unbelievable saturation the search engines are overwhelmed, they have set up literally hundreds of spurious "Stock" websites. If you google "stock doubler is a scam" or "Marl Scam" you'll get 100 hits back to their websites. All based on a few servers in the UK. It might take 25 looks to find a real site with any negative info. The followers of these guys are not going to get any unbiased info and their target is folks who simply are not sophisticated enough to see through it. When this house of cards falls it's going to leave a serious trail of broken wreckage. The only thing that might work against them is if we really do get a bear market the rubes will wake up a little sooner. Unfortunately they are targeting people who will put their 1 or 2 thousand in and get hammered and disappear. Again they are professional marketeers, and they are polished in their methodology and their targeting.

:dito:

I agree with you but I still feel the most convincing way to demonstrate the futility of following their program is to carefully document its performance, without allowing the misrepresentation that occurs when details such as the impossibility of buying the stock at the price it was at when the call was made.

I don't think all stock advisories are bogus, many are quite useful, and I personally know people who have made a very very good living selling professional (we're talking $2,000 to $10,000 a month) advisories and analysis newsletters that are subscribed to by the major trading outfits and hedge funds. Obviously these advisories have some usefulness, or they wouldn't stay in business for years and years, and they wouldn't be doing business with top-quality outfits. Unfortunately it is hard for the average retail investor to access or afford such services, and that is why you get a stampede when inexpensive services promise the world.

I'm glad for this third thread, it seems to me to be clearer and less emotional debate than occurred in the other threads. Of course I could merge all three threads. I think this this thread though is really a perfect platform to close this issue once and for all. Sort of like a boxing match - in one corner, MaryJay1965, and in the other corner, aiki14.

:boxing:

[aiki14]

:dito:

I agree with you but I still feel the most convincing way to demonstrate the futility of following their program is to carefully document its performance, without allowing the misrepresentation that occurs when details such as the impossibility of buying the stock at the price it was at when the call was made.

I don't think all stock advisories are bogus, many are quite useful, and I personally know people who have made a very very good living selling professional (we're talking $2,000 to $10,000 a month) advisories and analysis newsletters that are subscribed to by the major trading outfits and hedge funds. Obviously these advisories have some usefulness, or they wouldn't stay in business for years and years, and they wouldn't be doing business with top-quality outfits. Unfortunately it is hard for the average retail investor to access or afford such services, and that is why you get a stampede when inexpensive services promise the world.

I'm glad for this third thread, it seems to me to be clearer and less emotional debate than occurred in the other threads. Of course I could merge all three threads. I think this this thread though is really a perfect platform to close this issue once and for all. Sort of like a boxing match - in one corner, MaryJay1965, and in the other corner, aiki14.

:boxing:

Thierry, I don't want it to appear that I am fighting this guy MaryKay. I think after all the posts he is not a part of the scam, but a victim of the scam. I'd like to think this thread will minimize his, and any other person who might be considering this "service", downside. Unfortunately he has given these creeps some of his money already, but we can at least put it to good use by posting the picks. I do hope he comes back to comment on how he feels the evaluation is going, and to continue to post the picks.

I would like to point out that if you came into this like Kthom and bought CPST on the recommendation of this "device" at 1.69, and you did it with the only $1000 you had to invest (and it appears these are the people the scammers are targeting) you would be out $59.18 or 6.3% and would not have been able to buy anything else without realizing the loss and the commissions on both sides of the trade. Luckily for Kthom he is a financial specialist for a third rate bucket shop and is much more likely to be a part of the scam, or just a liar, and didn't really take a position.

One last thing, looking back on this post, I realize I said "this guy Marykay", which I am sure is a first for me. I would prefer if I was saying I didn't want to fight someone that the persons name was Phil, or Carmine, and not MaryKay

[Thierry Martin]

I think MaryKay said she bought the software off ebay for $49.95. I have seen posts on other sites that say the same software is available for free if you know where to go, including the doublingstocks.com own site. However, she/he seems to be subscribed to the newsletter, but she has 56 days (eight weeks) to get a full refund from Clickbank, the third party that handles payments and refunds.

Of course, there are many, many marketing schemes where the business plan depends on the hassle that many people feel it is to claim a refund. Many people just don't bother, or don't actually use the program so they don't know it doesn't work, or they can't find the confirmation email that has the info on how to get a refund, or they have better things to do with their time than to get their money back, especially if it was something they were suspicious about in the first place. (In other words, they blame themselves for having "fallen" for it so they don't blame the merchant. Sort of like what people go through when they don't win a lottery - they don't usually go back to the store asking for a refund, they would look pretty foolish.)

I guess you can make a fortune even if you see sixty or seventy percent of your customers get a refund. The only thing I don't understand is why Clickbank is tolerating this, because as a Clickbank merchant and affiliate myself I have always been warned by them that high return rates on products sold will result in termination of the account. This can't be good for Clickbank's image, and will only encourage similar schemes in the future.

[MaryKay1965]

O.K. Guys, just ran Marl tonight @ 10:22 P.M. It gave the same stock pick as Sunday night and Monday morning. If anything chances before market open, I will be sure to post it ASAP.

Monday, 01-14-08 10:24 P.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (FA) Fairchild Corp.

[MaryKay1965]

Thierry, I don't want it to appear that I am fighting this guy MaryKay. I think after all the posts he is not a part of the scam, but a victim of the scam. I'd like to think this thread will minimize his, and any other person who might be considering this "service", downside. Unfortunately he has given these creeps some of his money already, but we can at least put it to good use by posting the picks. I do hope he comes back to comment on how he feels the evaluation is going, and to continue to post the picks.

I would like to point out that if you came into this like Kthom and bought CPST on the recommendation of this "device" at 1.69, and you did it with the only $1000 you had to invest (and it appears these are the people the scammers are targeting) you would be out $59.18 or 6.3% and would not have been able to buy anything else without realizing the loss and the commissions on both sides of the trade. Luckily for Kthom he is a financial specialist for a third rate bucket shop and is much more likely to be a part of the scam, or just a liar, and didn't really take a position.

One last thing, looking back on this post, I realize I said "this guy Marykay", which I am sure is a first for me. I would prefer if I was saying I didn't want to fight someone that the persons name was Phil, or Carmine, and not MaryKay

You made some valid points, Aiki14, about this service being targeted towards the "dream catchers." No different than the casinos, horsetracks, or the crack cocaine of them all: state funded lotteries. I agree with you whole-heartedly, and I once again want to emphasis and hope that everyone on the OTF sincerely believes me when I say that I have absolutely no interest, nor am I an affiliate, owner, partner, P.R. man, getting paid somehow to do this, etc. for D.S. or Marl. In fairness though, I do want to honestly say the D.S. newsletter has given plenty of winners since I subscribed about 3 monthes ago. Therefore, I purchased the Marl software, just to try to give it an honest evaluation. I guess the main reason for doing this was because all I read on this forum was "D.S = scam, scam, scam" without any concrete evidence. Remember, I'm only paper trading these stock picks, so no money lost there, either. So, let's continue our "expirement", and see where this goes. Oh, and btw, I continue to run the Marl software probably 5-6 times/day, but I will only make one post per day, unless another stock is picked that is different from the last one.

[MaryKay1965]

I think MaryKay said she bought the software off ebay for $49.95. I have seen posts on other sites that say the same software is available for free if you know where to go, including the doublingstocks.com own site. However, she/he seems to be subscribed to the newsletter, but she has 56 days (eight weeks) to get a full refund from Clickbank, the third party that handles payments and refunds.

Of course, there are many, many marketing schemes where the business plan depends on the hassle that many people feel it is to claim a refund. Many people just don't bother, or don't actually use the program so they don't know it doesn't work, or they can't find the confirmation email that has the info on how to get a refund, or they have better things to do with their time than to get their money back, especially if it was something they were suspicious about in the first place. (In other words, they blame themselves for having "fallen" for it so they don't blame the merchant. Sort of like what people go through when they don't win a lottery - they don't usually go back to the store asking for a refund, they would look pretty foolish.)

I guess you can make a fortune even if you see sixty or seventy percent of your customers get a refund. The only thing I don't understand is why Clickbank is tolerating this, because as a Clickbank merchant and affiliate myself I have always been warned by them that high return rates on products sold will result in termination of the account. This can't be good for Clickbank's image, and will only encourage similar schemes in the future.

Thierry, I realize I could get a refund from clickbank, but IMO, the $47 subscription fee (for the D.S. newsletter/email) was worth it, at least for me. Of course, it also may have to do with knowing when to get in and get out of the pennies - and not getting too greedy - and definately not buying long on these guys' recommendation.

However, it may be a good idea to mention to someone who doesn't know: If you feel you have been scammed by the DoublingStocks emails/newsletter ($47 subscription fee), all you have to do is go to the ClickBank website and request a refund.

[coolguyme]

MaryKay1965,

Can you also please post the next day's opening price when you FIRST got the recommendation of a stock? That way, I can keep track of what's the return on the same. Because frankly, if a stock closed at 20$ today and MARL recommended it tonight. Then you get up early morning to buy that one and see it gap up and open at 25$. So after MARL recommended it, one can buy it at 25$. (Unless they buy Afterhours before night, but the website does not say to buy Afterhours, does it?)

[aiki14]

Thierry, I realize I could get a refund from clickbank, but IMO, the $47 subscription fee (for the D.S. newsletter/email) was worth it, at least for me. Of course, it also may have to do with knowing when to get in and get out of the pennies - and not getting too greedy - and definately not buying long on these guys' recommendation.


You said in the post directly above this one that you only have paper traded the picks so far. So how has it been "worth it" to you other than as a learning experience? And are you implying you have some skill at getting in and out of pennies? Also don't these guys claim you will have these massive profits in the first few minutes after open most times? Why would anyone hold long term?
The name of the service is Stock Doubler, have we actually seen anything that resembles that level of return? 3 stocks from Marykay and 1 from Kthom and we're at Leonard level returns at best.

[MaryKay1965]

Just ran Marl this morning. Below is Marl's pick:

Tuesday, 01-15-08 08:20 A.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (UPFC) United Panam Financial Corp.

[netwrangler]

Just ran Marl this morning. Below is Marl's pick:

Tuesday, 01-15-08 08:20 A.M.
Marl's recommendation: (UPFC) United Panam Financial Corp.I can't help wondering why your posts don't look like the quote above.

What's with the large font, caps, and bold face?

[MaryKay1965]

You said in the post directly above this one that you only have paper traded the picks so far. So how has it been "worth it" to you other than as a learning experience? And are you implying you have some skill at getting in and out of pennies? Also don't these guys claim you will have these massive profits in the first few minutes after open most times? Why would anyone hold long term?
The name of the service is Stock Doubler, have we actually seen anything that resembles that level of return? 3 stocks from Marykay and 1 from Kthom and we're at Leonard level returns at best.

D.S. claims in their newsletter/email that you could potentially make massive profits in the first few minutes. Normally, that is the case with my experience with the newsletters/emails they mail to me. Their latest email pick, IDGJ.PK (Pink Sheets), see post #19 for the email they sent me, did in fact go on to increase somewhere around 250% in 2-3 days. Hard to top that.

And yes, I do consider having skills in the pennies. I don't normally trade the pennies, per se, but if D.S. sends me a pick in the newsletter/email, I will put about five hundred bucks on the line, just for chits and giggles.

As far as Marl being "worth it." I can't say one way or the other. That is the purpose on this thread, for me to post the picks before market open for everyone to see. Remember, we have only been expirementing with Marl's picks for a few days now. I thought that was the purpose of posting the picks before the market opens, and together everyone can evaluate Marl with an open mind.

[MaryKay1965]

I can't help wondering why your posts don't look like the quote above.

What's with the large font, caps, and bold face?

Because I am trying to make the stock picks stand out from the rest of the body of the replies/posts. Just trying to make them easier to spot.

[aiki14]

As far as Marl being "worth it." I can't say one way or the other. That is the purpose on this thread, for me to post the picks before market open for everyone to see. Remember, we have only been expirementing with Marl's picks for a few days now. I thought that was the purpose of posting the picks before the market opens, and together everyone can evaluate Marl with an open mind.

In the other post you said it "was worth it".
I do remember we're only doing this for a short term, but remember they say you can start with a small stake, and that may be only 2 or 3 plays so if you don't make money right away you're in trouble.
Evaluate with an open mind is fine for carpet, or a movie, but when money is on the line there is a level of skepticism that must be kept. I am still waiting for the big winner to be posted before it happens.

[MaryKay1965]

MaryKay1965,

Can you also please post the next day's opening price when you FIRST got the recommendation of a stock? That way, I can keep track of what's the return on the same. Because frankly, if a stock closed at 20$ today and MARL recommended it tonight. Then you get up early morning to buy that one and see it gap up and open at 25$. So after MARL recommended it, one can buy it at 25$. (Unless they buy Afterhours before night, but the website does not say to buy Afterhours, does it?)

This is very easy to determine using your Level II, or if you don't have Level II, simply go to a free service, such as Yahoo.finance and enter the stock symbol on the same day Marl recommended it and look for the opening price. You could even do this in the evenings or late at night, as long as the data has not been changed yet. But, so far, Aiki14 has been doing a good job of posting opening and closing prices, as well as daily gains/losses. You may just want to follow his stats. Or, you could simply do as he and I are doing and just log down the stats daily and paper trade or maybe start you a virtual portfolio.

[MaryKay1965]

In the other post you said it "was worth it".
I do remember we're only doing this for a short term, but remember they say you can start with a small stake, and that may be only 2 or 3 plays so if you don't make money right away you're in trouble.
Evaluate with an open mind is fine for carpet, or a movie, but when money is on the line there is a level of skepticism that must be kept. I am still waiting for the big winner to be posted before it happens.

I said the newsletter/email was "worth it". And for me, it has been. If you want, I will post the next pick from the newsletter/email. (There hasn't been one since IDGJ.PK) (Pink Sheets)

But the last post I made using the D.S. email, I think it was Thierry who said something like this: Wait a minute, I thought you were only posting Marl's picks and not the D.S. email picks.

I never said the Marl software was "worth it." That is why I thought this thread was created, to determine how the outcome of Marl's picks would pan out.

[microhedge]

This thread is soooooo informative:rolleyes2:

I am drooling for the next piece of info

[MaryKay1965]

I am still amazed that we now have 51 entries on a 3rd Doubling Stocks thread?!?!?!?!?

I believe I posted enough in Thierry's thread and my own thread to stay away from this 3rd circus... Have Fun Boyz!
Hey DoublingStocks.com and Mr. Michael... :thefinger:

I'm confused. :s::s::s:

[AJLightning]

Just ran Marl this morning. Below is Marl's pick:

Tuesday, 01-15-08 08:20 A.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (UPFC) United Panam Financial Corp.



UPFC down 8.38% on a mind boggling 47.2k shares!
Ohhhh Biilllyyyyy :top:

[suketu9]

I bought the doublingstock newsletter and marl software for 47 + 97. Since I found out it is a scam I asked clickbank for refund. They were kind and gave me refund for both in a day.

[aiki14]

Time for todays recap:
Marl the Doubling Stocks robot's picks:

ITI 1/11 @ 3.43, today closed 2.90 down 18.2%
FA 1/14 @ 2.60, today closed 2.72 up 4.6%
CTCHD 1/14 @ 5.46, today closed 5.10 down 7%
UPFC 1/15 @ 3.80, closed today 3.52 down 7.85%

Also worth noting is FA was re-recommended today and was 2.75 at open and 2.72 at close down 1.1%

Their advertisement states:
"Earns you 346.77 per week (managing $1000 Capital) aff.

I don't know what aff means, maybe MaryKay does.

What say you at this point Marykay? Any of the who knows how many folks that bought in these last few days are well short of the promised returns. Also remember that a typical trade costs about 1% of $1000 on each side, so add 2% to the downside. And we haven't spoken about the cost of the newsletter or software.
Also note that if you bought at the absolute low and sold at the absolute high that was possible you would be nowhere near the 34.677% they promise.

Now we know that 4 stocks is not a statistically valid sample, but I don't want to be the one to tell the folks who bought this week.

[MaryKay1965]

Their advertisement states:
"Earns you 346.77 per week (managing $1000 Capital) aff.

I don't know what aff means, maybe MaryKay does.


This is the only ad I can find, can't find one with "aff" in the ad. I'm not sure where you got your ad nor do I know what "aff" means. I looked around the net and every ad I came up with was like the one I posted below:


... Or Curious About The First Commercially Available Stock Trading "Robot" Which Earns $346.77 Per Week (Managing $1000 Capital).

[aiki14]

This is the only ad I can find, can't find one with "aff" in the ad. I'm not sure where you got your ad nor do I know what "aff" means. I looked around the net and every ad I came up with was like the one I posted below:


... Or Curious About The First Commercially Available Stock Trading "Robot" Which Earns $346.77 Per Week (Managing $1000 Capital).

2498

It was actually at the bottom of the page here.

[MaryKay1965]

Time for todays recap:
Marl the Doubling Stocks robot's picks:

ITI 1/11 @ 3.43, today closed 2.90 down 18.2%
FA 1/14 @ 2.60, today closed 2.72 up 4.6%
CTCHD 1/14 @ 5.46, today closed 5.10 down 7%
UPFC 1/15 @ 3.80, closed today 3.52 down 7.85%

Also worth noting is FA was re-recommended today and was 2.75 at open and 2.72 at close down 1.1%

Their advertisement states:
"Earns you 346.77 per week (managing $1000 Capital) aff.

I don't know what aff means, maybe MaryKay does.

What say you at this point Marykay? Any of the who knows how many folks that bought in these last few days are well short of the promised returns. Also remember that a typical trade costs about 1% of $1000 on each side, so add 2% to the downside. And we haven't spoken about the cost of the newsletter or software.
Also note that if you bought at the absolute low and sold at the absolute high that was possible you would be nowhere near the 34.677% they promise.

Now we know that 4 stocks is not a statistically valid sample, but I don't want to be the one to tell the folks who bought this week.

At this point, I would be very disappointed with "Marl". So far, it looks as though the software is spitting out stocks to short and not buy. But, I also know how the market has been in the last couple of weeks and if you told me some of my stocks would have lost 10-20% in the last month, I would have said you were crazy. But they have. And no, I'm not talking about the pennies. Even my defensive stocks, RICK, VGR, CEDC, PENN have lost ground in the last couple of weeks or so. And don't even get me started on my financial and tech stocks. I really think it will take 6+ monthes to really give Marl a good run. If the results are the same as the last couple of days, I will be the first to say a blindfolded monkey throwing darts at a list of stocks stands a better chance that Marl does. IMO, still too early to say yah or nay.

[MaryKay1965]

2498

It was actually at the bottom of the page here.

I see what you're talking about, but not really sure what it means. If you go to D.S. website, it lists an ad without the "aff." attached. Who knows?

[aiki14]

At this point, I would be very disappointed with "Marl". So far, it looks as though the software is spitting out stocks to short and not buy. But, I also know how the market has been in the last couple of weeks and if you told me some of my stocks would have lost 10-20% in the last month, I would have said you were crazy. But they have. And no, I'm not talking about the pennies. Even my defensive stocks, RICK, VGR, CEDC, PENN have lost ground in the last couple of weeks or so. And don't even get me started on my financial and tech stocks. I really think it will take 6+ monthes to really give Marl a good run. If the results are the same as the last couple of days, I will be the first to say a blindfolded monkey throwing darts at a list of stocks stands a better chance that Marl does. IMO, still too early to say yah or nay.

The folks who buy in deserve to get what they pay for, 346.77% per week on $1000. The site does not make caveats like "except in Bear markets" or any other excuses. It is clear they do not produce what they say. I wonder why you make excuses for them. I still do not believe you are in league with them.

When you made your first post, I assumed you were a neophyte, and were being taken in by what I have come to see is a very sophisticated operation. Now your talking like you have some experience. So, in light of this I have to call off our truce, and just flat out say you're a nut case.

These scammers will get what's coming to them, and I hope some of the innocent victims get their money back. You're money they should keep, it's likely to be more responsibly spent in their hands than yours.

[MaryKay1965]

The folks who buy in deserve to get what they pay for, 346.77% per week on $1000. The site does not make caveats like "except in Bear markets" or any other excuses. It is clear they do not produce what they say. I wonder why you make excuses for them. I still do not believe you are in league with them.

When you made your first post, I assumed you were a neophyte, and were being taken in by what I have come to see is a very sophisticated operation. Now your talking like you have some experience. So, in light of this I have to call off our truce, and just flat out say you're a nut case.

These scammers will get what's coming to them, and I hope some of the innocent victims get their money back. You're money they should keep, it's likely to be more responsibly spent in their hands than yours.

Truce is off. Now I'm a nutcase. WTF??? Were you one of the guys, in a past life, telling the Wright Brothers they would never fly because their first couple of attempts were unsuccessful???? The picks by Marl, so far have been duds, but in no way can 4 days be any way to evaluate a system. For all I know, maybe the D.S. emails are for short term and the Marl's picks are for long term.

Anyhow, if there's anyone out there interested in me continuing posting Marl's picks, speak now or forever hold your piece.(or is it peace, hell I don't know.) So, if I don't get some support from somewhere, I'll just fade away into the sunset and not waste anymore of my time making daily picks of Marl.

[MaryKay1965]

O.K. folks out there in OTF land. I need a vote from followers of this thread. If you want me to continue posting Marl's picks, let me know by replying with a post saying "yes." If you're like Aiki14, and already have your mind made up, or don't care or don't want me to continuing to post Marl's picks, let me know with a "no." If the "yes's" outweigh the "no's", I'll keep posting, if not, I won't. Majority rules. It doesn't really matter to me, one way or the other.:D

[coolguyme]

YES. I want you to post the daily picks.

And my 2 cents. Why do you keep defending yourself? I mean, keep posting the daily picks. ( I don't see any point in posting the next day if you got the same pick). We will see for a month or two. We will decide if DS is worthwhile or we will move on. As simple as that. Now all these arguments just mess up the thread. I need to go through 9 pages for 4 or 5 recommendations.

The best thing would be edit your first post in the thread everytime and keep adding the recommendations. Stock name, Date and time when it was first recommended, closing price before day, opening price the next day. Thats it.

[Thierry Martin]

I would like you to continue posting the picks, I trust that you agree that the whole operation that publishes the newsletter and the MARL software is most likely a scam operation, there is clear evidence that they pump stocks in exchange for money. We'll let the results from the picks you post speak for themselves. Aiki14 is absolutely a nonbeliver, and is entitled to his skepticism just as you are allowed to believe the system may have some usefulness. My belief is that it is a gamed system, however that doesn't make it impossible to make profits if you don't have a problem riding the same wave the scammers are creating with their picks.

I don't need to speak for aiki14, and he hasn't appointed me as his public relations man. But I can help you understand where I think he is coming from - he is trying to protect naive investors from losing money to a service that makes it sound very easy to make money in the stock market by following somebody else's instructions. It's a very hard game for seasoned pros, it should be obvious (but of course it isn't) that it takes more than a newsletter for $49.95 to solve all your financial problems for the rest of your life.

I still believe you should make a clear and unbiased documentation of what is happening with the picks and we should keep any commentary about this to a minimum because there are irreconcilable differences in philosophies concerning the right of a service like this to even exist. If this were a diet forum, aiki14 would probably be warning everyone about the latest fad diet, there's nothing wrong with his skepticism.

Let's not get into a personality fight, let's look at the picks and stop the interpersonal stuff. We can start another thread where we evaluate each other's personality disorders.

[rozz]

YES
I would like you to continue posting. Bear market or not, there was green today. I know it’s not 300% but DLAV (a penny) was up 48% today. Why didn’t MARL pick that? I’m interested to see how this goes. Please keep posting the picks.

[printboy63]

YES... BTW can I make some change by shorting these picks?

[Spa City Hawg]

O.K. folks out there in OTF land. I need a vote from followers of this thread. If you want me to continue posting Marl's picks, let me know by replying with a post saying "yes." If you're like Aiki14, and already have your mind made up, or don't care or don't want me to continuing to post Marl's picks, let me know with a "no." If the "yes's" outweigh the "no's", I'll keep posting, if not, I won't. Majority rules. It doesn't really matter to me, one way or the other.:D

:shot:

[reef]

Truce is off. Now I'm a nutcase. WTF??? Were you one of the guys, in a past life, telling the Wright Brothers they would never fly because their first couple of attempts were unsuccessful???? The picks by Marl, so far have been duds, but in no way can 4 days be any way to evaluate a system. For all I know, maybe the D.S. emails are for short term and the Marl's picks are for long term.

Anyhow, if there's anyone out there interested in me continuing posting Marl's picks, speak now or forever hold your piece.(or is it peace, hell I don't know.) So, if I don't get some support from somewhere, I'll just fade away into the sunset and not waste anymore of my time making daily picks of Marl.

Are you really comparing the Wright brothers, men who helped changed hisotry to a computer prog that makes randpm picks and is scamming the likes of you? Keep posting those picks, this thread is very humorous. But its an arguement your not going to win. This horse was already beaten dead and now its being pulverized. Glue anyone?

[Thierry Martin]

The thing I don't understand about this thread is why the type keeps getting bigger and bigger. I'm going to have to buy a bigger monitor.

[reef]

I cant read that Thierry, can you possibly make your font larger? :mrgreen:

[AJLightning]

O.K. folks out there in OTF land. I need a vote from followers of this thread. If you want me to continue posting Marl's picks, let me know by replying with a post saying "yes." If you're like Aiki14, and already have your mind made up, or don't care or don't want me to continuing to post Marl's picks, let me know with a "no." If the "yes's" outweigh the "no's", I'll keep posting, if not, I won't. Majority rules. It doesn't really matter to me, one way or the other.:D



not just NO...but HELL NO :thefinger:
:stupid::stupid::stupid:

[MaryKay1965]

Alright, majority rules. You guys seem to know everything. I won't post any more picks from Marl. Thierry, I'm assuming you're the captain of this ship. Word of advice: If you ever want any new members to join your forum and stay here and contribute, there's probably a few choice outspoken, rude, obnoxious posters that you speak to or better yet, ban for life. Most of the newbie posters would have left long before me. (That's just my opinion of this forum.)

We have a term for people like this in the South: It's called having mule blinders on. Let me explain. Back before the invention of tractors, the farmers had to use mules in the fields, for plowing, pulling carts, etc. You had to put blinders on each side of the mule's eyes, so he would only look straight ahead, never to the left or to the right. These guys (the outspoken, rude, obnoxious ones) are just like that. They only know one way to look, straight ahead. No left, no right, just straight ahead. Imagine how dull life would be without peripheral vision, only straight ahead. For those of you who understand the correlation here, (between the rude posters and a mule, AKA jackass/donkey) great. For those of you don't, maybe you should take those mule blinders off.

Of course, I am sure Thierry will delete this message, since it has nothing to do with stocks, and there's a slim chance it may offend someone. Or maybe he'll just delete it because in his heart he knows what I say is true. Either way, we'll see. Have a great life everyone.:proud:

[Thierry Martin]

Alright, majority rules. You guys seem to know everything. I won't post any more picks from Marl. Thierry, I'm assuming you're the captain of this ship. Word of advice: If you ever want any new members to join your forum and stay here and contribute, there's probably a few choice outspoken, rude, obnoxious posters that you speak to or better yet, ban for life. Most of the newbie posters would have left long before me. (That's just my opinion of this forum.)

We have a term for people like this in the South: It's called having mule blinders on. Let me explain. Back before the invention of tractors, the farmers had to use mules in the fields, for plowing, pulling carts, etc. You had to put blinders on each side of the mule's eyes, so he would only look straight ahead, never to the left or to the right. These guys (the outspoken, rude, obnoxious ones) are just like that. They only know one way to look, straight ahead. No left, no right, just straight ahead. Imagine how dull life would be without peripheral vision, only straight ahead. For those of you who understand the correlation here, (between the rude posters and a mule, AKA jackass/donkey) great. For those of you don't, maybe you should take those mule blinders off.

Of course, I am sure Thierry will delete this message, since it has nothing to do with stocks, and there's a slim chance it may offend someone. Or maybe he'll just delete it because in his heart he knows what I say is true. Either way, we'll see. Have a great life everyone.:proud:

MaryKay1965, most people wouldn't dare put their name to the vote, I am setting up a vote for this thread, give it a week, we'll go with the results from the poll next Wednesday. In the meantime, why not show the resolve you had when you started, post the picks, and ignore the "mule heads." We'll let the results from MARL determine who the mule heads are!

[MaryKay1965]

O.K. Fair enough. The poll is an excellent idea. BTW, I ran "Marl" earlier this morning around 8 A.M. and the program gave a new pick: BHBC. I just checked on that stock and right now, it is up 13.7%, but of course I know this one "won't count" since it wasn't posted before the market opened. But, I'm gonna post it anyway, and I will continue to post picks from Marl, before market open. Oh, and a few wanted to know why I post the picks in larger, bold letters. Again, it's to help out the poster(s) who have to look through pages of name calling and back and forth bashings just to find Marl's picks. I think this makes it much easier to find the picks, if you're not interested in all the other BS that seems to be taking place. :proud:

Wednesday, 01-16-08 08:00 A.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (BHBC) Beverly Hills Bancorp Inc.

[Thierry Martin]

O.K. Fair enough. The poll is an excellent idea. BTW, I ran "Marl" earlier this morning around 8 A.M. and the program gave a new pick: BHBC. I just checked on that stock and right now, it is up 13.7%, but of course I know this one "won't count" since it wasn't posted before the market opened. But, I'm gonna post it anyway, and I will continue to post picks from Marl, before market open. Oh, and a few wanted to know why I post the picks in larger, bold letters. Again, it's to help out the poster(s) who have to look through pages of name calling and back and forth bashings just to find Marl's picks. I think this makes it much easier to find the picks, if you're not interested in all the other BS that seems to be taking place. :proud:

Wednesday, 01-16-08 08:00 A.M.
MARL'S RECOMMENDATION: (BHBC) Beverly Hills Bancorp Inc.

OK, thanks for tolerating us a little longer MaryKay1965. In the interests of fairness, though, since I have gotten complaints concerning the large font for the picks possibly being seen as a form of advertising, we'll post the gains or losses in the same size font, so someone skimming the pages will not get the mistaken impression that these picks are all successful.

[MaryKay1965]

This is an open challenge to Aiki14.

Aiki14, I think it would be very interesting for you to place a daily pick, just like Marl, and let's see if you are as good as you claim to be. As long as we are analyzing Marl's picks, why not analyze your picks !!! You seem to be the most outspoken one against D.S. and Marl, so let's see if you can do any better.

Before you accept or decline the challenge, Aiki14, I would like to ask Thierry, if he would be willing to set up another poll and let's see if people would like to see a Marl vs. Aiki14 Ultimate Stock Pick Challenge??? Hmmmmm..........

I kinda doubt you will accept this challenge, but maybe you will, being that you are a stock guru and have a reputation to uphold. :wink:

[aiki14]

This is an open challenge to Aiki14.

Aiki14, I think it would be very interesting for you to place a daily pick, just like Marl, and let's see if you are as good as you claim to be. As long as we are analyzing Marl's picks, why not analyze your picks !!! You seem to be the most outspoken one against D.S. and Marl, so let's see if you can do any better.

Before you accept or decline the challenge, Aiki14, I would like to ask Thierry, if he would be willing to set up another poll and let's see if people would like to see a Marl vs. Aiki14 Ultimate Stock Pick Challenge??? Hmmmmm..........

I kinda doubt you will accept this challenge, but maybe you will, being that you are a stock guru and have a reputation to uphold. :wink:

Name your terms

[microhedge]

I kinda doubt you will accept this challenge, but maybe you will, being that you are a stock guru and have a reputation to uphold.

I accept.

Oh wait, nevermind... dammit

[MaryKay1965]

Name your terms

Simple....here they are.

The contest is over after 20 picks.

1.) I will set up a completely different thread: Marl vs. Aiki14
2.) I will submit a new pick from Marl, then you submit your pick. Marl may or may not submit a new pick each day. If he has the same pick two or more days in a row, you must stay with your pick until Marl submits a new pick . Once, the next pick is submitted by Marl, it will be time to tally the results.

Judging with be in two catagories:
A.) Highest percentage gain of the day wins 1 point.
B.) Highest percentage gain by the end of the day wins 1 point.

Sound fair?

[microhedge]

Judging with be in two catagories:
A.) Highest percentage gain of the day wins 1 point.
B.) Highest percentage gain by the end of the day wins 1 point.

Sound fair?

Fair? It is barely even logical?!

[aiki14]

Simple....here they are.

The contest is over after 20 picks.

1.) I will set up a completely different thread: Marl vs. Aiki14
2.) I will submit a new pick from Marl, then you submit your pick. Marl may or may not submit a new pick each day. If he has the same pick two or more days in a row, you must stay with your pick until Marl submits a new pick . Once, the next pick is submitted by Marl, it will be time to tally the results.

Judging with be in two catagories:
A.) Highest percentage gain of the day wins 1 point.
B.) Highest percentage gain by the end of the day wins 1 point.

Sound fair?

Nope.
20 days is fine. Buy at open sell at close. I don't accept having to stay with my pick because marl doesn't pick unless he is forced to stay if I don't. The points are meaningless, total return at the end is all that counts.
If you want it as simple as possible, Make each of us start with $1000. Buy Marls pick with what you have and Mine with what I have, then sell at the end of the day. The next day you start with what you have and do it again. If Marl or I don't make a pick we let it ride.

If you want to make it interesting at the end of the contest, if Marl is ahead or even I'll buy you any book or video in the forum store. If you lose you leave and never come back. Sound fair?

[suketu9]

MaryKay just put the picks. you dont have to prove anything to anyone. you put the picks if people want to come to the thread and look at it , its their choice. noone is forcing anyone to come to this thread.

[aiki14]

MaryKay just put the picks. you dont have to prove anything to anyone. you put the picks if people want to come to the thread and look at it , its their choice. noone is forcing anyone to come to this thread.

Suketu9, It is my opinion and it is shared by most traders that penny stock tout sheets and newsletters and software are scams. The particular one MaryKay has defended is clearly run by criminals. She has elected to post the picks it has made and it has fallen well short of their claims as I knew it would. I would say if she actually believes in this device/system/newsletter she does in fact have to prove it's merit in order to be taken seriously by people who actually trade equities.

This toutsheet claims to "Guarantee" $346.55 per week managing $1,000. So far it has fallen woefully short of the mark, and MaryKay has made excuses.

[MaryKay1965]

Nope.
20 days is fine. Buy at open sell at close. I don't accept having to stay with my pick because marl doesn't pick unless he is forced to stay if I don't. The points are meaningless, total return at the end is all that counts.
If you want it as simple as possible, Make each of us start with $1000. Buy Marls pick with what you have and Mine with what I have, then sell at the end of the day. The next day you start with what you have and do it again. If Marl or I don't make a pick we let it ride.

If you want to make it interesting at the end of the contest, if Marl is ahead or even I'll buy you any book or video in the forum store. If you lose you leave and never come back. Sound fair?

I'm confused already.

1.)Is it 20 days or 20 stock picks?
2. There is absolutely no way you can always buy an even number of shares per day with any dollar amount. I say we just act as if we bought one share of stock, I own one share of Marls recommendation and you own one share of your pick (for just the trading day) and then we theoretically sell it @ the closing price.

So, the difference between the opening price vs. the closing price = % gain or loss. Let's then keep a running tally of % gains/losses to determine the winner/loser at the end of a contest or we can just give the winner (highest % gain for that day) 1 point.

[MaryKay1965]

If you want to make it interesting at the end of the contest, if Marl is ahead or even I'll buy you any book or video in the forum store. If you lose you leave and never come back. Sound fair?

If I want a book or a video, I will buy it myself. I think the loser leaves and never come back. Now, that is a wager, either MaryKay1965 stays or Aiki14 stays, but not both of us. :biggrin:

[aiki14]

And one more thing, to Marykay and anyone else for that matter. I have never attempted to sell anyone anything, I have never offered my services for anything, I have nothing to gain by this. My motivation is only to show Doubling Stocks for what it is so the folks here will not be taken as MaryKay has. And that is of course assuming MaryKay isn't actually participating in the fraud. Since she is promoting it and I can see no other reason why someone would do such a thing clearly she must be suspect. Perhaps someone could explain the motive for someone to promote a "for pay" service without a fiduciary interest.
Are we to assume she came here out of the blue just to help the folks in this forum having never posted before? Or maybe she was a lurker for some time before this and never had anything to add to our discourse, but this rose to the level she felt she must post?

[aiki14]

If I want a book or a video, I will buy it myself. I think the loser leaves and never come back. Now, that is a wager, either MaryKay1965 stays or Aiki14 stays, but not both of us. :biggrin:

Sorry I have been here too long, and I like the folks here too much to make that wager. I'd rather lose the money.

[aiki14]

I'm confused already.

1.)Is it 20 days or 20 stock picks?
2. There is absolutely no way you can always buy an even number of shares per day with any dollar amount. I say we just act as if we bought one share of stock, I own one share of Marls recommendation and you own one share of your pick (for just the trading day) and then we theoretically sell it @ the closing price.

So, the difference between the opening price vs. the closing price = % gain or loss. Let's then keep a running tally of % gains/losses to determine the winner/loser at the end of a contest or we can just give the winner (highest % gain for that day) 1 point.

20 days, If you make it 20 picks we could finish on different days. The one share thing is fine and again the only thing that counts is absolute return, points are meaningless.

[MaryKay1965]

Sorry I have been here too long, and I like the folks here too much to make that wager. I'd rather lose the money.

Fine, I can respect this decision. I will accept your first offer. Book/Video vs. I leave and never come back.

Now, we just need to determine how to decide if your picks are better than Marl's. Thierry, would you give us some recommendations?

[aiki14]

I received the following PM from MaryKay and I have posted my response.

Hi, Gonna grab some supper. Let's work out the details via PM from now on so we won't continue to clutter up the thread. Catch ya in about an hour.

No.
I do not want to do anything that isn't visible to everyone. I don't wish you to P