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Luc1Grunt
12-03-2007, 02:10 PM
Seperation of our culture for "sensitivty to others'".

English is as English does

33 Senators Voted Against English as America 's Official Language June 6, 2007


On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:35:23 -0500, 'Colonel Harry Riley USA ret' wrote:


Senators,


Your vote against an amendment to the Immigration Bill 1348, to make English America's official language is astounding. On D-Day no less when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock character and principles of America . I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens.


I don't much care where you come from, what your religion is, whether you're black, white or some other color, male or female, democrat, republican or independent, but I do care when you're a United States Senator, representing citizens of America and vote against English as the official language of the United States


Your vote reflects betrayal, political surrender, violates your pledge of allegiance, dishonors historical principle, rejects patriotism, borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you unfit to serve as a United States Senator... impeachment, recall, or other appropriate action is warranted.


Worse, 4 of you voting against English as America 's official language are presidential candidates: Senator Biden, Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd, and Senator Obama .


Those 4 Senators vying to lead America but won't or don't have the courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America's official language when 91% of American citizens want English officially designated as our language.


This is the second time in the last several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as political hacks... unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualified to serve as President of the United States.


If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a back-lash so stunning it will literally rock you out of your panties... and preferably, totally out of the United States Senate.


The entire immigration bill is a farce... your action only confirms this really isn't about America ; it's about self-serving politics... despicable at best.
'Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.' ~ anonymous
The following senators voted against making English the official language of America :


Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE) Wants to be President?
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY) Wants to be President?
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT) Wants to be President?
Domenici (R-NM) Coward, protecting his Senate seat...
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI) Not unusual for him
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA) Wanted to be President
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT) Disappointment here.....
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL) Wants to be President?
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV) Senate Majority Leader
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-M)
'Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged.'
~ President Abraham Lincoln ' Amen '

freakscene
12-03-2007, 04:14 PM
simply shameful, but not surprising

TonyM
12-03-2007, 06:34 PM
The problem is in the terminology, if the common language of the country were called American then the politicians would have little choice but to endorse it as the official language. I think that there are enough differences between the language spoken here and in the UK that a case could be made to call our version American. If we could get a bill on the hill reflecting that and get it passed, a subsequent vote making it the official language should be a slam dunk.

netwrangler
12-03-2007, 07:22 PM
You know, folks, I really don't understand what the uproar is all about here.

Of course American-English is the overwhelmingly predominant language amongst the citizens of the USA. I am completely in favor of requiring a language test as a condition of citizenship for those immigrants [and my grandparents were such] who would like to become citizens.

That said, I don't understand movements to make English the "Official" language of the USA. Perhaps I am too much the existentialist. Perhaps I am too suspicious. My true and open question is, "What is the purpose, the goal, of designating English as the "Official" language of our country?"

Is this a symbolic statement?
Are we trying to reduce the cost of printing ballot measure analyses?
Do we want to discriminate against legal aliens who do not speak English?
I just don't get it.

OK, English is the language we, and the Government, should use. Please explain why making this "Official" this is an issue worthy of a Crusade.

TonyM
12-03-2007, 07:26 PM
You know, folks, I really don't understand what the uproar is all about here.

Of course American-English is the overwhelmingly predominant language amongst the citizens of the USA. I am completely in favor of requiring a language test as a condition of citizenship for those immigrants [and my grandparents were such] who would like to become citizens.

That said, I don't understand movements to make English the "Official" language of the USA. Perhaps I am too much the existentialist. Perhaps I am too suspicious. My true and open question is, "What is the purpose, the goal, of designating English as the "Official" language of our country?"

Is this a symbolic statement?
Are we trying to reduce the cost of printing ballot measure analyses?
Do we want to discriminate against legal aliens who do not speak English?
I just don't get it.

OK, English is the language we, and the Government, should use. Please explain why making this "Official" this is an issue worthy of a Crusade.

For me it comes down to money; alternate language signage could be strictly optional.

netwrangler
12-03-2007, 07:29 PM
For me it comes down to money; alternate language signage could be strictly optional.Yes, that makes sense.

I think that there is more to this "officialdom" than that.

TonyM
12-03-2007, 07:34 PM
Yes, that makes sense.

I think that there is more to this "officialdom" than that.

I'm sure for many it probably has to do with that "patriotism" ideology, which is usually just racism wrapped in a flag, I have no ulterior motive in this, purely financial.

netwrangler
12-03-2007, 08:00 PM
I'm sure for many it probably has to do with that "patriotism" ideology, which is usually just racism wrapped in a flag, I have no ulterior motive in this, purely financial.I can get next to the financial issue. I see no reason to print an election ballot in Tagalog [to my Philippino friends, I mean no disrespect here.] If you are voting, you should be able to make your decision based on a "voter pamphlet" that is printed in English.

I do worry about making this an ideology issue.

I ask, again, "Why is this an issue worthy of a Crusade?" What are the broader implications of making English "official."

My concern is that the law of unintended results will apply.

BTW: IMH(BC)O: There is absolutely no way that questioning this proposal undermines the troops in Iraq. Give me a wounded break here. A significant number of those troops are there because that was their way to achieve citizenship. The Abraham Lincoln reference is completly over the top on this issue!