Michael Jackson dead at 50

[walkthewalk]

LA Times is reporting that Michael Jackson has died of sudden cardiac arrest.

[zombie]

I cannot call myself as his biggest fan, but like every other kid growing up in the 80s, it was hard not to be a part of the 'Michael Mania'. Controversies aside, he was certainly the greatest artist of my generation.May his soul rest in peace.

[aiki14]

I was never a fan, never understood all the fanfare. It seems from that perspective he was a tragic figure. The isolation from reality that hyperstardom seems to cause, frequently results in poor outcomes. Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Anna Nicole Smith all come to mind as similar cases. Ultra fame, a cadre of lamprey like acolytes, and a downward spiral into depravity and self destructiveness.

[Albert0373]

It's a shame he effed up the latter part of his life, but there's no denying he had a huge impact on the music and pop industry, an American beatlemania.

RIP

[walkthewalk]

I was never a fan, never understood all the fanfare. It seems from that perspective he was a tragic figure. The isolation from reality that hyperstardom seems to cause, frequently results in poor outcomes. Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Anna Nicole Smith all come to mind as similar cases. Ultra fame, a cadre of lamprey like acolytes, and a downward spiral into depravity and self destructiveness.

you cannot even dream of mentioning those individuals in the same sentence as michael jackson. he is without question the greatest musician and entertainer of all time. better than elvis, the beatles... yes, his life was filled with controversy, but it is safe to say that we will never see another artist come clost to what he has accomplished. he isnt one of the greatest, he is THE greatest. people all over the world are mourning his loss this is a very sad day. anna nicole? are you serious? I mean, really.. Not being sarcastic

[zombie]

you cannot even dream of mentioning those individuals in the same sentence as michael jackson. he is without question the greatest musician and entertainer of all time. better than elvis, the beatles... yes, his life was filled with controversy, but it is safe to say that we will never see another artist come clost to what he has accomplished. he isnt one of the greatest, he is THE greatest. people all over the world are mourning his loss this is a very sad day. anna nicole? are you serious? I mean, really.. Not being sarcastic

To each his own. I guess Aiki's intention of mentioning Anna Nicole was to highlight the self-destructive path some individuals take after fame. I don't know if MJ was the greatest ever, but his contribution to the industry was immense, he will be missed for sure. Life sure is cruel, he was about to make one final comeback, a comeback which could've helped him redeem the last few years..but i guess nature had its own plans.

[yoyomama]

you cannot even dream of mentioning those individuals in the same sentence as michael jackson. he is without question the greatest musician and entertainer of all time. better than elvis, the beatles...

uuhh, hhhmmm. Okay.

Very sad though...no doubt.

[Survivor]

Too bad, as an artist he was quite innovative.
Death becomes another legend.
Personally he was one fuc-ked up dude.
Considering the pay outs and charges against him we could
have retired in the lap of luxury, not his lap....
$20 million plus would go a very long way.
I bet he/she could have emptied a lot of gravy bags for 10 million.
Joe Jackson was quoted as saying who is that ugly white woman?
Did someone file a patent for Jesus juice wine coolers yet?
He won't be blowing bubbles anymore, did the monkey get a settlement.

[john_for_u80]

you cannot even dream of mentioning those individuals in the same sentence as michael jackson. he is without question the greatest musician and entertainer of all time. better than elvis, the beatles... yes, his life was filled with controversy, but it is safe to say that we will never see another artist come clost to what he has accomplished. he isnt one of the greatest, he is THE greatest. people all over the world are mourning his loss this is a very sad day. anna nicole? are you serious? I mean, really.. Not being sarcastic

I Agree 100%!!!

Michael J the legend of Music World.
Wish he had time to come back by his upcoming London tour.
I personally think he was nice at heart.

RIP!

[aiki14]

you cannot even dream of mentioning those individuals in the same sentence as michael jackson. he is without question the greatest musician and entertainer of all time. better than elvis, the beatles... yes, his life was filled with controversy, but it is safe to say that we will never see another artist come clost to what he has accomplished. he isnt one of the greatest, he is THE greatest. people all over the world are mourning his loss this is a very sad day. anna nicole? are you serious? I mean, really.. Not being sarcastic

Clearly your grief has overcome you as my point was not to compare his talent to anybody else's, but to point up the fact that so many of these uber celebrities crash and burn in a similar fashion.

As to him being the greatest entertainer of all time? That's pretty subjective. I think he was pretty lame and none of what he did was all that interesting to me. But if you like an effeminate, prancing, body modification addicted, pedophile then MJ is gonna top out your list. I mean really... just being sarcastic ; }

[Rich]

Not to pick a fight and this isn’t MJ bashing, but....

I don't understand why people get all excited over performers. Why is MJ or any performer “special” because they can sing/dance or act? Those who enjoy professional performances PAY to hear and watch them, do these followers believe these ‘stars’ care personally about any of them? When M.J was greeting fans and climbing on top of vehicles giving the peace sign was it because he cared about the fans or was he fulfilling an inward need to have this attention?
I've met some actors in my life and turned away; why should I care if a 'star' is in my presence. Most are fake in personality and with their surgeries, plastic and egotism. Many of their agendas are usually destructive towards society. They're just people making a living and who happen to have a trained voice or talent and somehow their cult following raises their image as being more important than the plumber, nurse or sewer worker? I personally have more respect for volunteers at the food bank or the nurses and doctors who forfeit millions so they can help the poor.

[john_for_u80]

Not to pick a fight and this isn’t MJ bashing, but....

I don't understand why people get all excited over performers. Why is MJ or any performer “special” because they can sing/dance or act? Those who enjoy professional performances PAY to hear and watch them, do these followers believe these ‘stars’ care personally about any of them? When M.J was greeting fans and climbing on top of vehicles giving the peace sign was it because he cared about the fans or was he fulfilling an inward need to have this attention?
I've met some actors in my life and turned away; why should I care if a 'star' is in my presence. Most are fake in personality and with their surgeries, plastic and egotism. Many of their agendas are usually destructive towards society. They're just people making a living and who happen to have a trained voice or talent and somehow their cult following raises their image as being more important than the plumber, nurse or sewer worker? I personally have more respect for volunteers at the food bank or the nurses and doctors who forfeit millions so they can help the poor.



There needs to be a balance in this world. I agree that you respect volunteers but then even people like MJ played their important role in humans life by excellent performances .

He has got more smiles on people's face GLOBALLY than cries. We cannot just live life where people volunteer for poor etc etc. I am in medicine and I have helped lot of people in my country without taking money but that does not make me great as I am playing one of the roles.
MJ was playing a role on a bigger scale and now he is one of the Legends!

People who criticize MJ about certain things are just looking at one side of the picture. Most of them misunderstood him. As I am in medicine, I can understand a person become psychologically disturbed and doing some stuff which he should not do but then the brain controls the person not person.
He was abused by his father in childhood and lot of other issues disturbed him.
Not a big deal if he wanted to change his look again and again. People needs to learn medicine to understand that behavior.
Also Actors/Actresses do plastic surgery because their profession demands for it. No one wants to watch ugly people in Fame/Fashion/Hollywood world!

One more thing I liked about MJ was that Mahatma Gandhi was his inspiration. MJ always wanted to bring people together by his talent.

Bottom Line: We cannot live happily in this world only with doctors, plumbers, nurses :)

[Velvet03]

Clearly your grief has overcome you as my point was not to compare his talent to anybody else's, but to point up the fact that so many of these uber celebrities crash and burn in a similar fashion.

As to him being the greatest entertainer of all time? That's pretty subjective. I think he was pretty lame and none of what he did was all that interesting to me. But if you like an effeminate, prancing, body modification addicted, pedophile then MJ is gonna top out your list. I mean really... just being sarcastic ; }


Pretty lame? Have you ever seen him dance? Have you ever seen a DVD of a live performance? He was the best dancer and entertainer in the world. Even a person that nothing can entertain them should be entertained by what Michael does on stage. The guy was lightning in a bottle. See your mind is stereotypical to the person he was not the music and entertainment he brought while singing and dancing. He was a genius and there is no disputing that. And you my friend are in a very small tiny corner with all the other ignorant conservative perfectionist stereotypical bitter elitests when it comes to acknowledgeing the genius of Michael Jackson

[Velvet03]

Not to pick a fight and this isn’t MJ bashing, but....

I don't understand why people get all excited over performers. Why is MJ or any performer “special” because they can sing/dance or act? Those who enjoy professional performances PAY to hear and watch them, do these followers believe these ‘stars’ care personally about any of them? When M.J was greeting fans and climbing on top of vehicles giving the peace sign was it because he cared about the fans or was he fulfilling an inward need to have this attention?
I've met some actors in my life and turned away; why should I care if a 'star' is in my presence. Most are fake in personality and with their surgeries, plastic and egotism. Many of their agendas are usually destructive towards society. They're just people making a living and who happen to have a trained voice or talent and somehow their cult following raises their image as being more important than the plumber, nurse or sewer worker? I personally have more respect for volunteers at the food bank or the nurses and doctors who forfeit millions so they can help the poor.


It is in ones human nature to appreciate and love people who bring so much joy and entertainment to ones own life. Have I ever met MJ? no. does he care about me? no. That doesn't mean I cannot like him as a person for all the enjoyment his mucis has brought to me over the years. Thriller has made all my Halloween parties Ive been to and thrown such a party because of that song. Listening to Billy Jean and The way she makes me feel, gives me such satisfaction to hear it. Watching his performances are so entertaining. I understand what your saying about movie stars, but with entertainers its so different. Singers allow us to party and love and smile and dance. It is alot closer bond then with actors. I love to dance to MJ songs more then any other singer, so naturally a person develops a connection to him.

[Jelly]

I don't and never have held anyone as being ultra-super or a hero. Not stars, money makers, porn stars or even cute animals. I do, however, notice people not considering others to be equal and worthy of respect. Somehow the Hells Angels tapped into a basic truth of life since they had connected worth to respecting others. Unfortunately, Wall Street wanted to follow this mojo and only succeeded in eliminating the term from the American dictionary.

*Even CNBC is shouting out about market manipulation. You *****n traders think you have a handle on the markets? The only thing you have a handle on is the new ass wipe toy now selling in markets near you.

[aiki14]

And you my friend are in a very small tiny corner with all the other ignorant conservative perfectionist stereotypical bitter elitests when it comes to acknowledgeing the genius of Michael Jackson

I take offense at being called conservative. Are you sure you know me well enough to call me any of those things?
There is little doubt about Richard Feynman, John Steinbeck, or Eleanor Roosevelt being geniuses but any categorization of an entertainer as genius is subjective. I don't hold many "musicians" up as geniuses but were I to do so, I would look for political commentary, or some type of intellectualism woven into their body of work, I just don't see that in Mr. Jackson. Granted since his product was not of interest to me I haven't looked to deeply for such nuances.

Small tiny corners are where the real action is, from the small workshop of the Wizard of Menlo park, to Wozniaks Garage, to a small hall in Philadelphia circa 1776, small tiny corners are the wellspring of true genius. I am flattered you see me as worthy of such high praise, even if you intended such as a dig.

[Survivor]

Yes Sir, Michael Jackson had talent...

Dancing all over a stage grabbing his crotch yelling hee, hee, hee,
woo, hoo, hoo, wearing a white glove and singing beat it- just beat it-
is kinda frightening. real entertainment... :confused2:

a possible pervert... love them little boys do ya? Emanuel Lewis...
Like Rock Hudson? sick Fu-cks... guilty by your own actions.
Build your own kiddie farm, Never land? a perverts dream...:sheep:
Love of children turned into an illness. :thumpdown:
$20 million buys freedom... Makes all the bad go away. Somewhere he lost his mind, morales, and his marbles.
Maybe Joe Jackson hit him in the head to fu-ckin' hard. Let's call a spade a spade
Many sick guys or freaks like him get their guts stomped out for playing with the little boys, the worst thing
you could ever be in jail is a child molester. Real criminals hate molesters, no excuses- they don't live long. Fact.
He could have never went to any Jail, if he did it would have been isolation only. In the general population,
celebrity or not he'd most likely been killed. If he was in fact guilty, you decide.

[yoyomama]

Survivor - always entertaining. Don't let the black helicopters hit ya on the way out of the house.

[BuyOnDips]

I like Donald O'Connor's knee walk better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW02c5UNGl0

Gene Kelly's dancing and singing was better too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmCpOKtN8ME

[concrete]

His monkeys killed him.

Happens every day.

Same as it ever was.

[Velvet03]

I take offense at being called conservative. Are you sure you know me well enough to call me any of those things?
There is little doubt about Richard Feynman, John Steinbeck, or Eleanor Roosevelt being geniuses but any categorization of an entertainer as genius is subjective. I don't hold many "musicians" up as geniuses but were I to do so, I would look for political commentary, or some type of intellectualism woven into their body of work, I just don't see that in Mr. Jackson. Granted since his product was not of interest to me I haven't looked to deeply for such nuances.

Small tiny corners are where the real action is, from the small workshop of the Wizard of Menlo park, to Wozniaks Garage, to a small hall in Philadelphia circa 1776, small tiny corners are the wellspring of true genius. I am flattered you see me as worthy of such high praise, even if you intended such as a dig.

You are referring to the wrong small tiny corners. I was referring to the ones where the CEO and CFO of Enron conspired to steal money. The tiny little corner of Madoff and associates. The tiny little corner of a group of men wearing white hoods. The tiny corner of a group muslims called Hezbollah. Thats the group of people I am talking about. Not the ones who do good things for society and have compassion for other humans and other peoples misfortunes. That is the tiny group that you most closely resemble.

[aiki14]

Pretty interesting that after my thousands of posts, including horribly wrong stock and market picks, really bad and or offensive jokes, coming out as an Atheist, promoting a left wing political philosophy, and even a misguided battle with a stock picking robot, I have gotten more private hate messages for my comments in this thread than for any previous posts. Being compared to the KKK, Hezbollah, Madoff, and Enron, because I espoused a less than worshipful opinion of Mr. Jackson is surprising indeed.

Since the above poster velvet03 chose to post above, I thought it would be ok to post what he sent to me in a private message, unedited.

You are referring to the wrong small tiny corners. I was referring to the ones where the CEO and CFO of Enron conspired to steal money. The tiny little corner of Madoff and associates. The tiny little corner of a group of men wearing white hoods. The tiny corner of a group muslims called Hezbollah. Thats the group of people I am talking about. Not the ones who do good things for society and have compassion for other humans and other peoples misfortunes. That is the tiny group that you most closely resemble.

Wow, this trader forum is pathetic. You are the forum leader and you sound so immature. You couldn't lead a horse to water. You could lead yourself but don't call yourself a forum leader. This forum is pathetic and has no compassion for anything outside of stocks. You would probably do the same things madoff did when presented the opportunity. Peace out to this forum. Besides all your guys advice sucks and noone even posts anything here. Bunch of losers.

So to add fuel to the fire, I'll add this:

If anyone I hold up as a hero, from my Dad to any public figure who I hold in high esteem, ever settles allegations of pedophilia with a cash payment to the victims family, or admits to enjoying having someone else's prepubescent children in bed with them, I will from that moment forward end any and all support for that person other than to promote in any way possible that he or she get psychiatric counseling or be removed from society for such time as a professional deems it proper. I think buying the public issue of such individuals is tantamount to supporting the actions they have engaged in.

So in effect I am saying that people like this Velvet03 and others who hold Mr. Jackson up as some sort of hero, do society in general a disservice, and in fact support the actions of this individual as OK for the "special class" we have elevated celebrities to be. If my neighbor admitted to the actions Mr. Jackson admitted to, I wouldn't let my daughters walk past his house unguarded, and I'd set the dogs on him were he to appear on my property.

I will also note that I had similar opinions when the last "King" was found in a bloated, gravy sweating, pool of his own effluvia, some years ago.

[Jelly]

You are referring to the wrong small tiny corners.
Great flame job, idiot. From your expanded PM to Aiki, it seems you're not only a non-entity (5 posts) but a non-thinker. Stock markets are dead so any talk of them are simply exercises in verbal masturbation. At least you got that right.

In this folder, anything goes. It's the most relevant one on OTF. I do you a great service by posting to you. It won't happen again. I hope you don't leave though. Small, tiny corners in your crotch deserve expression.

[Rich]

Wow, this trader forum is pathetic. You are the forum leader and you sound so immature. You couldn't lead a horse to water. You could lead yourself but don't call yourself a forum leader. This forum is pathetic and has no compassion for anything outside of stocks. You would probably do the same things madoff did when presented the opportunity. Peace out to this forum. Besides all your guys advice sucks and noone even posts anything here. Bunch of losers..

WOW, this poster seems to be pathetic and knows nothing about the personal lives of those on this board. I have had communications with AIKI, and I disagree with him politically, but AIKI has never been rude or condescending towards me or others unless it’s in self defense to attacks towards him. I think his original post was too gracious and I thought when I read it that he was holding back because he didn't want to offend anyone. I too did the same thing. So lets just lay the cards on the table..... Heres how I really feel.

1. Jackson was socially dysfunctional who REQUIRED fans praise in order for him not to take his own life. He lived for fans praise since he had virtually no self esteem. He thought so little of himself he paid doctors to change everything they could so he could be someone else. This isn’t a ‘role’ model I wish my children to follow.

2. Jackson should have been committed to an institution for help. It’s obvious he couldn't deal with reality or society and it’s because of his money that he got away with so much. He settled out of court against a charge of child molestation. WHO in this country can do that and not be charge by a prosecutor? Talk about manipulation of the judicial system!

3. Jackson was perverted, and if he was in MY neighborhood someone would have his nuts on a platter or something worse! Not saying I would do it because I’m a pacifist, but others might.

4. Jackson was a blight to society. His dance and songs were built upon filth and innuendos concerning non-restricted and unrestrained sex. Even before marriage or children I was disgusted by his lyrics and dance, there was no redeeming value to them; only perversion.
Perversion seems to run in the Jackson family with Janet disgracing herself like a slut during halftime and invading my home with children watching their trash performance. Do what you wish in YOUR home but don’t bring it into mine! Anyone else doing such a thing in public would be charged with a crime; she does it on national TV and people think it’s cute. Before this Janet was in Playboy which supports my belief that she’s a liar when she said it was a costume failure, she just feels she can intrude into my home and take her cloths off in front of my children. This by law is called perversion of a minor and she should have been charged with a crime.

Jackson overwhelmingly represented actions which are disgusting, unrestrained and bad for society. Followers of Jackson also appear to have little in the way of moral character; they didn’t and don’t care about the rubbing of himself while dancing, which DOES influence the youth and speaks volumes towards their development during growth concerning their future character and moral standards. Jacksons actions and lyrics told the youth it’s “ok to be perverse” and “there are no consequences for lasciviousness’, which are both lies. Followers of Jackson defend the belief that its what makes them feel good and everything else isn't important. The truth however is adherance to civil law and social standards is what made this country great. Jackson represents none of these characteristics.

HE CAN DANCE! SO WHAT!!!!!

Have a great 4th everyone, See you Monday.

Rich

[Rich]

Hey, all you Jacksons fans.
You too can make a video about MJ!! Just substitute Jacksons name for Brittany's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWSjUe0FyxQ

[yoyomama]

Before this Janet was in Playboy which supports my belief that she’s a liar when she said it was a costume failure, she just feels she can intrude into my home and take her cloths off

Hell yeah.

[timmhaan]

WOW, this poster seems to be pathetic and knows nothing about the personal lives of those on this board. I have had communications with AIKI, and I disagree with him politically, but AIKI has never been rude or condescending towards me or others unless it’s in self defense to attacks towards him. I think his original post was too gracious and I thought when I read it that he was holding back because he didn't want to offend anyone. I too did the same thing. So lets just lay the cards on the table..... Heres how I really feel.

1. Jackson was socially dysfunctional who REQUIRED fans praise in order for him not to take his own life. He lived for fans praise since he had virtually no self esteem. He thought so little of himself he paid doctors to change everything they could so he could be someone else. This isn’t a ‘role’ model I wish my children to follow.

2. Jackson should have been committed to an institution for help. It’s obvious he couldn't deal with reality or society and it’s because of his money that he got away with so much. He settled out of court against a charge of child molestation. WHO in this country can do that and not be charge by a prosecutor? Talk about manipulation of the judicial system!

3. Jackson was perverted, and if he was in MY neighborhood someone would have his nuts on a platter or something worse! Not saying I would do it because I’m a pacifist, but others might.

4. Jackson was a blight to society. His dance and songs were built upon filth and innuendos concerning non-restricted and unrestrained sex. Even before marriage or children I was disgusted by his lyrics and dance, there was no redeeming value to them; only perversion.
Perversion seems to run in the Jackson family with Janet disgracing herself like a slut during halftime and invading my home with children watching their trash performance. Do what you wish in YOUR home but don’t bring it into mine! Anyone else doing such a thing in public would be charged with a crime; she does it on national TV and people think it’s cute. Before this Janet was in Playboy which supports my belief that she’s a liar when she said it was a costume failure, she just feels she can intrude into my home and take her cloths off in front of my children. This by law is called perversion of a minor and she should have been charged with a crime.

Jackson overwhelmingly represented actions which are disgusting, unrestrained and bad for society. Followers of Jackson also appear to have little in the way of moral character; they didn’t and don’t care about the rubbing of himself while dancing, which DOES influence the youth and speaks volumes towards their development during growth concerning their future character and moral standards. Jacksons actions and lyrics told the youth it’s “ok to be perverse” and “there are no consequences for lasciviousness’, which are both lies. Followers of Jackson defend the belief that its what makes them feel good and everything else isn't important. The truth however is adherance to civil law and social standards is what made this country great. Jackson represents none of these characteristics.

HE CAN DANCE! SO WHAT!!!!!

Have a great 4th everyone, See you Monday.

Rich

you're wrong when you say adherence to social standards is what made this country great. by and far the greatest advances were made when people did exactly the opposite. it used to be taboo to shake your hips on TV or for a woman to have more than an ankle exposed. and before that it was segregation. those were all social standards at one time. you may want to go outside your puritan bubble once and while and check out what's going on in the world. a bare nipple isn't your biggest problem.

[yupyup]

"Wow, this trader forum is pathetic. You are the forum leader and you sound so immature. You couldn't lead a horse to water. You could lead yourself but don't call yourself a forum leader. This forum is pathetic and has no compassion for anything outside of stocks. You would probably do the same things madoff did when presented the opportunity. Peace out to this forum. Besides all your guys advice sucks and noone even posts anything here. Bunch of losers."

Interesting take on the forum. As the forum sucks so bad I assume Velvet03 will leave us be now to trade. If he by chance sticks around, I look forward to seeing what value add he brings to the site.

Theres a lot of good info on here from years of posts but most know that.

[Desylina]

I like his song, even I don't really like mike,

[BuyOnDips]

Well Hitler was upset at hearing the news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8

[Rich]

you're wrong when you say adherence to social standards is what made this country great. by and far the greatest advances were made when people did exactly the opposite. it used to be taboo to shake your hips on TV or for a woman to have more than an ankle exposed. and before that it was segregation. those were all social standards at one time. you may want to go outside your puritan bubble once and while and check out what's going on in the world. a bare nipple isn't your biggest problem.

What a ridiculous and insulting post.

You belittle my right to protect my children IN MY HOME from a pervert exposing themselves and call those who protested this act ‘puritans’! Simple logic and reasoning dictates that if you don’t see the errors and transgressions of rights and perversion displayed to a minor IN MY HOME then it must be acceptable to allow a pervert to expose themselves to a minor in public! THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE except they didn’t break into someone home! What’s your next post going to contain, that we have more important things to be concerned about than fondling a child? You and your views are disgusting and personally I consider you a pathetic piece of trash.

History supports my post and condemns yours. Your last 50 years of history where you claim there has been improvement has resulted in the highest rates of drug usage, teen pregnancy, STD’s, divorce, murder, theft; all promoted by your advancement of more revelations on TV over the years. BTW, segregation was a result of LIBERALS and not the Puritans or Republican conservatives.

I could quote dozens of founding fathers and just as many of those who landed on Virginia Beach long before our nation was formed to support the points that made our nation grand, but why should I cast perils on the ground before you; it’s obvious you don't desire truth but wish to make excuses for the results of your views against restraints and accountability.

Instead of directing efforts towards the root problems, liberals desire to erase the results of the problem, such as murdering by chemicals or cutting of the unborn inside a womb then crushing the skull, allowing it to fit inside the garbage disposal. Liberals will continue to supply hundreds of millions of dollars for Planned Parenthood who boldly stated their mission is to ‘control the minority population’. So much for your expertise on enslavement and other minority issues. Liberals are STILL enslaving and exterminating their own followers, they're like rats; they breed but eat their young. This murder of the innocent babies is an acceptable act for liberals but addressing the root causes of teen pregnancy is unthinkable! Liberals won't allow any restraint of public displays of performers such as MJ rubbing his crotch like an uncontrolled maniac, which contributes to teens being sexually motivated. Fathers who are suppose to protect their daughters and tell them that they love them provide them money and transportation to be around these people whose desires are to make money and treat them like a piece of meat! Once again, just like rats eating their own!

Yeah, we've come a long way baby with such great tragedies from liberal thinking and being antinomians!

You should pop your ‘bubble’ and look at the real world, yours is full of crap.

[useless]

you guys need to chill, watch the movie Idiocracy.

[Jelly]

Fight..........FIGHT!!!!!!

more popcorn. .................and a coke please

[timmhaan]

What a ridiculous and insulting post.

You belittle my right to protect my children IN MY HOME from a pervert exposing themselves and call those who protested this act ‘puritans’! Simple logic and reasoning dictates that if you don’t see the errors and transgressions of rights and perversion displayed to a minor IN MY HOME then it must be acceptable to allow a pervert to expose themselves to a minor in public! THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE except they didn’t break into someone home! What’s your next post going to contain, that we have more important things to be concerned about than fondling a child? You and your views are disgusting and personally I consider you a pathetic piece of trash.

History supports my post and condemns yours. Your last 50 years of history where you claim there has been improvement has resulted in the highest rates of drug usage, teen pregnancy, STD’s, divorce, murder, theft; all promoted by your advancement of more revelations on TV over the years. BTW, segregation was a result of LIBERALS and not the Puritans or Republican conservatives.

I could quote dozens of founding fathers and just as many of those who landed on Virginia Beach long before our nation was formed to support the points that made our nation grand, but why should I cast perils on the ground before you; it’s obvious you don't desire truth but wish to make excuses for the results of your views against restraints and accountability.

Instead of directing efforts towards the root problems, liberals desire to erase the results of the problem, such as murdering by chemicals or cutting of the unborn inside a womb then crushing the skull, allowing it to fit inside the garbage disposal. Liberals will continue to supply hundreds of millions of dollars for Planned Parenthood who boldly stated their mission is to ‘control the minority population’. So much for your expertise on enslavement and other minority issues. Liberals are STILL enslaving and exterminating their own followers, they're like rats; they breed but eat their young. This murder of the innocent babies is an acceptable act for liberals but addressing the root causes of teen pregnancy is unthinkable! Liberals won't allow any restraint of public displays of performers such as MJ rubbing his crotch like an uncontrolled maniac, which contributes to teens being sexually motivated. Fathers who are suppose to protect their daughters and tell them that they love them provide them money and transportation to be around these people whose desires are to make money and treat them like a piece of meat! Once again, just like rats eating their own!

Yeah, we've come a long way baby with such great tragedies from liberal thinking and being antinomians!

You should pop your ‘bubble’ and look at the real world, yours is full of crap.

you're watching a sporting event witch is rampant with steriod abuse. many of those players have been in prison for beating women, fighting, or whatever other crime. they're on more drugs than MJ probably ever was. and they're doing it for money. same in baseball. do you tell your kids about that? or do simply consider that a wholesome family event? you'll also have to tell them that almost ever song out their has some sexual innuedendo in it... so you might as well ban them from listening to any music. man, they're gonna have a great life!

you seem to talk like you have some moral authority over other people. that's exactly what a puritan is. well, read this a-hole: i reject your ******* world view and your "morals". in my america people can express their points of view and not tread on others. i love when you people like you get pissed off... that's how you know you're on the right track.

[timmhaan]

anyway, there is obviously no point in continuing to "debate" this. i, of course, don't mean to say that you're not a good father for trying to instill your values in your kids. my father did the same, and his before him, etc.... just a natural order.

we'll never agree on politics, or whatever we're talking about here. my position against conservatives that proclaim family values comes about after countless examples of so-called conservatives saying one thing and doing the opposite. how can someone stand on a soapbox and tell others about family values, when they carry on with affairs? or decry homosexuality and then get caught a few weeks later screwing around in an airport bathroom. priests abusing children, etc. i utterly hate hypocracy. and i think the stronger someone's claim toward that moral highground is... the further they have to fall. to me, it's a losers game. just treat people with respect and as long as nobody is hurting anyone else... it's all good.

and also, if there is ever evidence against MJ of those crimes people say he did... then i will join you in condeming him. kids ought to be protected above all else, which i think is about the only thing we'll agree on.

i do apologize for any personal attacks on you. i'm an ass sometimes when my buttons are pushed.

[walkthewalk]

I take offense at being called conservative. Are you sure you know me well enough to call me any of those things?
There is little doubt about Richard Feynman, John Steinbeck, or Eleanor Roosevelt being geniuses but any categorization of an entertainer as genius is subjective. I don't hold many "musicians" up as geniuses but were I to do so, I would look for political commentary, or some type of intellectualism woven into their body of work, I just don't see that in Mr. Jackson. Granted since his product was not of interest to me I haven't looked to deeply for such nuances.

Small tiny corners are where the real action is, from the small workshop of the Wizard of Menlo park, to Wozniaks Garage, to a small hall in Philadelphia circa 1776, small tiny corners are the wellspring of true genius. I am flattered you see me as worthy of such high praise, even if you intended such as a dig.


I guess you just don't have a great passion and love for music like some do. Maybe you are more of a reading person and you personally consider authors like Steinbeck to be geniuses, thats perfetly cool, but you gotta understand where people are coming from. MJ is like a God in the music industry, just like Steinbeck is in the literary world. I really don't see any point in comparing the two. They are both geniuses in thier respective rights.

[Jelly]

MJ is like a God in the music industry, just like Steinbeck is in the literary world. I really don't see any point in comparing the two. They are both geniuses in thier respective rights.

All gods including GOD are media produced to define a distinction that can be taken advantage of. Popular objects are worth more to indiscriminate sheep who need asses to snif. I believe all living objects have done extraordinary things as needed to promote their very existence but are never promoted. Only greedy charlatans do that. Even that greed is in accordance with Darwin. You know, the guy who's extraordinary 15 minutes have defined you.

[aiki14]

I guess you just don't have a great passion and love for music like some do. Maybe you are more of a reading person and you personally consider authors like Steinbeck to be geniuses, thats perfetly cool, but you gotta understand where people are coming from. MJ is like a God in the music industry, just like Steinbeck is in the literary world. I really don't see any point in comparing the two. They are both geniuses in thier respective rights.

Actually I do have a great passion and love for music. Not seeing genius in Mr. Jackson does not imply otherwise, anymore than one might imply a lack of musical sophistication in one who does.

This is my last post on the topic.

[Survivor]

Put the nails in the coffin.

Out of the whole fiasco the only person that showed any real class,
was his daughter Paris. A little girl crying over the loss of her Father.

Despite all the good and all the bad, that was sad, and genuine.