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smartinvestor30
05-18-2009, 02:04 PM
Personally I have never been through a time like this. I doubt any of us have. This rally is amazing to me and even the analysts are saying it would be great if we could pause, pull-back, and consolidate. We did not get to the 945 level on the S&P which would test the 200-Day MA. If this rally continues I'd really love to see what happens there. My guess would be that it can not sustain a level above the 200-Day MA for very long. What I'd like to see to get back into this market long is a 50% pull-back. Here are a few reasons why this rally will come to an end.

The Fundamentals are horrible:

1. The Government is expanding putting an unbearable burden the the Tax payer, to add fuel to the fire the tax payer is as short on money he/she has ever been in history.

2. Jobs continue to be shed at an alarming rate. 600k+/ week in job losses means:

A. Less money being funeled into 401k/IRA's
B. Less income tax paid (or none since you've lost your job)
C. Less money spent in the economy on good and services

3. It's a consumer economy and when you take the consumer out of the equation the end result is going to be horrific. (who knows how long it will take) Also credit is being taken away from the consumer.

4. People are still losing their homes. There are many problems in Real Estate, the ALT-A Loans will bring the next wave of panic. Alt-A loans, for those that don't know, are called Option ARM's or "pick-a-payment" loans. They have the same sub-par credit borrower who was most likely speculating on prices.

5. There is too much money being printed/borrowed. The end result of this will be massive inflation not to mention the double digit interest rates we'll have as a result to try and save the dollar.

6. The consumer has finally started saving (although little) and the impact of this is slow growth in the economy. Not a long-term bullish signal by any means.


That's all I can think of for now. It doesn't look good for the long term at all. :embarassed:

Survivor
05-19-2009, 07:25 PM
Personally I have never been through a time like this. I doubt any of us have. This rally is amazing to me and even the analysts are saying it would be great if we could pause, pull-back, and consolidate. We did not get to the 945 level on the S&P which would test the 200-Day MA. If this rally continues I'd really love to see what happens there. My guess would be that it can not sustain a level above the 200-Day MA for very long. What I'd like to see to get back into this market long is a 50% pull-back. Here are a few reasons why this rally will come to an end.

The Fundamentals are horrible:

1. The Government is expanding putting an unbearable burden the Tax payer, to add fuel to the fire the tax payer is as short on money he/she has ever been in history.

***Awesome who else can bury you in debt and get away with it?

2. Jobs continue to be shed at an alarming rate. 600k+/ week in job losses means:

A. Less money being funeled into 401k/IRA's
B. Less income tax paid (or none since you've lost your job)
C. Less money spent in the economy on good and services

*** States just keep raising your taxes anyway to cover the short fall.
Michigan loves it.

3. It's a consumer economy and when you take the consumer out of the equation the end result is going to be horrific. (who knows how long it will take) Also credit is being taken away from the consumer.

***No job, no credit, no unemployment. Most just smoked their credit cards to the max and can't pay. Good for them. Then Government turns around and buries people in debt to bail out all the buddies. What goes around comes around.

4. People are still losing their homes. There are many problems in Real Estate, the ALT-A Loans will bring the next wave of panic. Alt-A loans, for those that don't know, are called Option ARM's or "pick-a-payment" loans. They have the same sub-par credit borrower who was most likely speculating on prices.

***Wall Street could care less as some can buy all this property dirt cheap.
The people are powerless as all our jobs moved to China and they had no vote about the things that concern the entire nation.

5. There is too much money being printed/borrowed. The end result of this will be massive inflation not to mention the double digit interest rates we'll have as a result to try and save the dollar.

***Monopoly Money, courtesy of the Illegal Federal Reserve Bank. The true conterfieters. How do they get away with that since paper money is not backed by Silver/Gold? ceases to defy any logic. If you print money your going to jail...

6. The consumer has finally started saving (although little) and the impact of this is slow growth in the economy. Not a long-term bullish signal by any means.

***Save what? Don't put your money in the bank many have turned to credit unions. People are broke around the metro Detroit area prices still keep climbing as the price of oil and gas keeps going up, yesterday on lies that a pipe line was attacked in Nigeria and today because of two refinery fires. Thank you CNBC for the lies. You will never see any photos or video tape of these lies. Also Dennis Gartman says we have plenty of fuel and a while later a greedy bastard on fast money says we do not? who do you believe? You always can say demand is up in China to rip off consumers. Thank you I love liars. Since watching the stock market and studying business finance the last two years I never realized what a bunch of lying low lifes that deal in price fixing and manipulation. Is it true George Soros and Jim Rogers have it made manipulating commodities in China? You can learn a lot from these guys. Thank your stars for Walmart too. When there is no work and no money to spare they are doing good. Seems like a set up though. China is now the true economic power and has the highest percentage of middle class. As investors capitalize on that the decay of the US means nothing.**


That's all I can think of for now. It doesn't look good for the long term at all. :embarassed:

***Just wait the best is yet to come. Obama is going to destroy what's left of the US and further strip any money people have left. :biggrin:***