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cramerica1972
03-30-2009, 01:46 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090330/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_autos WASHINGTON – The White House says neither GM nor Chrysler submitted acceptable plans to receive more bailout money, setting the stage for a crisis in Detroit and putting in motion what could be the final two months of two American auto giants.

President Barack Obama and his top advisers have determined that neither company is viable and that taxpayers will not spend untold billions more to keep the pair of automakers open forever. In a last-ditch effort, the administration gave each company a brief deadline to try one last time to convince Washington it is worth saving, said senior administration officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to more bluntly discuss the decision.

Obama was set to make the announcement at 11 a.m. Monday in the White House's foyer.

In an interview with CBS' "Face the Nation" broadcast Sunday, Obama said the companies must do more to receive additional financial aid from the government.

"We think we can have a successful U.S. auto industry. But it's got to be one that's realistically designed to weather this storm and to emerge — at the other end — much more lean, mean and competitive than it currently is," Obama said.

Frustrated administration officials said Chrysler cannot function as an independent company under its current plan. They have given Chrysler a 30-day window to complete a proposed partnership with Italian automaker Fiat SpA, and will offer up to $6 billion to the companies if they can negotiate a deal before time runs out.

If a Chrysler-Fiat union cannot be completed, Washington plans to walk away, leave Chrysler destined for a complete sell-off. No other money is available.

For GM, the administration offered 60 days of operating money to restructure. A frantic top-to-bottom effort began Sunday after CEO Rick Wagoner resigned under pressure from the White House.

Fritz Henderson, GM's president and chief operating officer, became the new CEO, a Treasury Department source said. Board member Kent Kresa, the former chairman and CEO of defense contractor Northrop Grumman Corp., will be interim chairman of the GM board.

One official said a majority of the GM board was expected to step down.

Obama advisers saw public outrage come to an ugly head in recent weeks, as populist anger escalated over bonuses paid to American International Group executives. They realized Americans are frustrated with the economy and its business leaders; they also said they would not invest one dollar more than was necessary to keep the companies alive and would walk away if it looked impossible.

Officials said GM had not made good on promises made in exchange for $13.4 billion in government loans, although there are no plans to call in those loans.

Administration officials still believe GM's chances are good, given its global brand and its research potential. Officials say they are confident GM can put together a plan that will keep production lines moving in the coming years. They planned to send a team to Detroit to help with that restructuring.

Chrysler, meanwhile, has survived on $4 billion in federal aid during this economic downturn and the worst decline in auto sales in 27 years.

In progress reports filed with the government in February, GM asked for $16.6 billion more and Chrysler wanted $5 billion more. The White House balked and instead started a countdown clock.

Administration officials acknowledged the short turnaround time was harsh; one described it as a nanosecond in a business cycle.

Two people familiar with the plan said officials will demand further sacrifices from the automakers and bankruptcy would still be possible if the automakers failed to restructure. Those officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to make details public.

Administration officials said they hoped large-scale bankruptcy could be avoided, especially if it might be stretched over many years. Any efforts to use the bankruptcy courts would have to be targeted and aggressive and must not prolong a restructuring process, they said.

GM and Chrysler, which employ about 140,000 workers in the U.S., face a Tuesday deadline to submit completed restructuring plans, but neither company is expected to finish its work.

GM owes roughly $28 billion to bondholders. Chrysler owes about $7 billion in first- and second-term debt, mainly to banks. GM owes about $20 billion to its retiree health care trust, while Chrysler owes $10.6 billion.

An exasperated administration official noted that the companies had not done enough to reduce debt; in some cases, it actually increased during this restructuring and review process.

In February, GM said it intended to cut 47,000 jobs around the globe, or almost 20 percent of its work force, close hundreds of dealerships and focus on four core brands — Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC and Buick.

In an effort to bolster consumer confidence, Obama planned to announce government backing of warranties for GM and Chrysler vehicles. An administration official said there is no price tag yet associated with that promise.

Aides note that Obama inherited the auto mess from his predecessor, President George W. Bush.

Under the terms of a loan agreement reached during the last administration, GM and Chrysler are pushing the United Auto Workers to accept shares of stock in exchange for half of the payments into a union-run trust fund for retiree health care. They also want labor costs from the union to be competitive with Japanese automakers with U.S. operations.

Little progress has been made between the companies and the union.

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AP Auto Writer Tom Krisher in Detroit and AP writer Ken Thomas in Washington contributed to this report.<<<<looking for a 600 point drop monday.

BlackholeDivestment
03-30-2009, 02:38 AM
Pretty darn sick country. The American New World Order Socialist State, bankrupt, a Wal Mart near every inverted mortgage Mcmansion in Prefabia, a car payment worth of interest on the average credit card and enough failure to justify a civil uprising to burn it all down because, the government is trying to sustain it's image rather than serve, protect and defend individual liberty.

...the people that cry when they see their New World Order religious leader, the new O'man, give his 57 States obamanomic assessment, look as pathetic as the Bushwhacked screwballs that own a Chrysler ...cause it's American to run a failure on the road for the sake of a two party ticket to ride.

win/win
03-30-2009, 08:13 AM
Sad day in in U.S. history.

Blood De
03-30-2009, 08:21 AM
I seceded already.

Hondaboy
03-30-2009, 08:45 AM
I use to sell cars for 3 years and for 2 years 11 months was Honda and 1 month at a GM dealership..... Man o Man that one month at the GM dealership I went on more test drives then my entire career at Honda. GM to me is a company that thought its name would just be good enough and didn't care about their products. When I sold Honda's the hardest part was making people go on test drive but 90% of them didn't care to and only wanted to talk price because they knew the car would be awesome.

So anyways I saw the must stupid thing on CNBC they said, the Chevy Volt a 40k car is the future of the company. Just how stupid are they. The Chevy Volt gets 42 miles on electric before using gas and when it switches to gas it’s about the same gas mileage as a honda civic but here is the problem, the Chevy Volt uses a battery that cost them 9 grand and isn't covered under warranty and after about 500 to 800 times that you recharge the car the batteries will be unable to hold a full recharge and you will notice your MPG going down.

New Honda Insight that will come out in April that looks like fake Toyota Prius will cost 19,800 and gets 45MPG but when street tested people where getting 70MPG.

New Toyota Prius is said to cost 22-24k and will be out this summer and also says can get 45MPG but when street tested people got 73MPG.


Anyways lets compare the Chevy Volt to the Telsa S sedan that will come out late next year that will cost 50k.

Chevy Volt gets 42 miles full electric before gas, Telsa S sedan will get 300 miles and claims can be full recharged in 45 minutes and doesn't use gas.

win/win
03-30-2009, 09:22 AM
The trillions of dollars in the ground, OIL, will never be left alone to switch over to electric automobiles. Profits from that will always reign supreme. Followed by market manipulation, global economy fairy tails, and the white collar organized crime syndicate {OPEC}, 20 million barrels times 55.00 a barrel = some serious $. The facts, there is nothing better than the internal combustion engine.

From a previous thread.

yupyup
03-30-2009, 09:28 AM
Good.

Horrible management structure in a company that just can't make money. They could sell three times as many cars and figure out a way to NOT cut a profit.

freakscene
03-30-2009, 01:09 PM
The Obama administration also appointed GM's chief operating officer, Fritz Henderson, to replace Wagoner.


government run banks - check
government run health care - check
government run auto industry - check
government controlled wages - check
government controlled energy - check
government controlled mandatory citizen "volunteer" program - check



the transformation will become complete when the communist obamateur signs the UN Copenhagen policy in the next few weeks

win/win
03-30-2009, 01:29 PM
government run banks - check
government run health care - check
government run auto industry - check
government controlled wages - check
government controlled energy - check
government controlled mandatory citizen "volunteer" program - check



the transformation will become complete when the communist obamateur signs the UN Copenhagen policy in the next few weeks

Everything you warned about has shown it's ugly head.
:top: Freakscene

cramerica1972
03-30-2009, 04:22 PM
freak,u never called bush an ameture,y bash obama?

freakscene
03-30-2009, 05:35 PM
because as many mistakes as he made, he was/is still an American who loved/loves America.

I am not certain either of those apply to the current Communist in the White House.

he spends millions of dollars continuing to fight any legal challenge to verify his citizenship of birth, while transforming America into something Jefferson, Adams, and Madison would despise.

sooner or later Obama supporters should be considered enemies of the State for red white and blue, liberty loving Americans

cramerica1972
03-30-2009, 06:23 PM
LOL UR NUTS.ppl call him a monkey.socialist etc,no white president never called those things.you all act like cain/palin would do any better.TJ thought blacks were 1/3 of a person,he was the farrakahn of his day.

Mastajab
03-30-2009, 06:50 PM
I agree w/ Freakscene,,,,Cramerica is clown.

Ford is prolly going to fail too. Even though they appear to be in better shape. I don't buy it.

Survivor
03-30-2009, 07:40 PM
[QUOTE=Mastajab;216737]I agree w/ Freakscene,,,,Cramerica is clown.

Climb off Cramerica. He does not bash you, maybe he should.
Learn how to spell while your at it.
He's been around.

freakscene
03-30-2009, 08:10 PM
LOL UR NUTS.ppl call him a monkey.socialist etc,no white president never called those things.you all act like cain/palin would do any better.

I called Bush a socialist on this very forum. he started this, and the obamateur is batting clean up, completing the transformation. (pay attention to the Copenhagen accord. thats the final hammer and sickle into Americas coffin ;) )

bush should never be called a conservative, based on his economic policies which expanded government

although i understand why you must disparage the founders. its because deep down you know you support a communist.

cramerica1972
03-30-2009, 08:19 PM
i think most of u here put your political party before country,that is what corrupting america.rather be a clown than a fool.

kingfisher
03-30-2009, 08:24 PM
Well All

I do think FORD will make it. They have taken no loans to date and they have made accords with the UAW or employees! Both the CEO and upper management and the hourley employees have made concessions? pay cuts: to stand the storm. Time will tell but I think they will survive the long haul. I believe if not for Gov. intervention prior to now they would be the only American Car Maker still in business. Just my .02

I dont hold this stock at this time but I have on more than one ocassion in the last 3 months. I suspect I will again if conditions are correct. Honestly I thought the conditions would be there today for a buy on F. I was wrong. F only fell .08 in the turmoil. This shows strength in F to me with the American Auto Manf. on the hot seat.

F -.08 Today Seems like a great day for F even if they are near OB.

freakscene
03-30-2009, 08:29 PM
i think most of u here put your political party before country,that is what corrupting america.rather be a clown than a fool.

if you are referring to the hundreds of millions of non thinking dolts that still believe the letter D represent the values of JFK, and pull its lever ever 2 years no matter what person is running

then i agree

mo_dingo
03-30-2009, 11:33 PM
I called Bush a socialist on this very forum. he started this, and the obamateur is batting clean up, completing the transformation. (pay attention to the Copenhagen accord. thats the final hammer and sickle into Americas coffin ;) )

bush should never be called a conservative, based on his economic policies which expanded government

although i understand why you must disparage the founders. its because deep down you know you support a communist.

Does this malarkey belong in the stock picking forum????? really?

cramerica1972
03-31-2009, 12:32 AM
Does this malarkey belong in the stock picking forum????? really?
i support the american president.if bush had done what obama has,the repubs would be defending him,come hell or highwater.

BlackholeDivestment
03-31-2009, 07:47 AM
Bush is an evil delusional moron. Obama is an evil delusional moron. The general rule of an evil delusional moron is compromise. The Constitution represents that compromise which is represented by these political morons, they are the lack of defense for truth ...as the individual right stands in agreement, bound by the spirit of the law they do not serve. Evil, delusional bastards are not bound to represent truth, justice, freedom, liberty. They sure as hell are not going to protect any individual that will not serve as host for an evil delusion.

The two party system reflects a portion of power require to sustain a self devouring beast. The waters of this great political delusion measure time like the risen Red River. Time has run out from the banks, labors pocket is filled with the void stimulus check, the currency of debt is flooding into cities all over and the cars are underwater why? The insurance company got bailed out by the fool that accepted a mortgage subject to a river of debt in a flood plain.
Insane... all these idiots.

Blood De
03-31-2009, 09:18 AM
freak,u never called bush an ameture,y bash obama?

I know you said that to Freak but I wanna add something. Obama is president NOW. Alot of us bashed Bush plenty when he had the con but he doesn't anymore. Sometimes it's pointless to only bash the past when we're talking about today's problems.

I haven't bashed Obama yet on this forum but I probably will... and that's why.

Albert0373
04-06-2009, 11:39 AM
DETROIT (Reuters) - Ford Motor Co (NYSE:F - News) has reduced its automotive debt by 38 percent, or $9.9 billion, part of a series of moves to bolster its finances amid the global automotive downturn, the company said on Monday.

The debt reduction will reduce Ford's annual cash interest expense by more than $500 million, it said.

Ford, the only U.S. automaker that has not sought emergency U.S. government loans, is using $2.4 billion in cash and 468 million shares of its common stock to reduce its outstanding automotive debt by $9.9 billion from $25.8 billion at the end of 2008.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ford-slashes-debt-by-99-rb-14857608.html;_ylt=ArQ3Oo_y.BfpG00wV1gXrQ27YWsA?se c=topStories&pos=6&asset=TBD&ccode=TBD

timmhaan
04-06-2009, 05:13 PM
i own ford stock, but my taxes help subsidize their competitors losses. awesome.